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01 September 2013 @ 11:10 am
In Bruges  
I spent about 5 minutes after the end of In Bruges wondering WHY Peter Dinklage was not being credited for that movie, and thinking that if the movie had come out NOW they would by God put his name up there.

Then I finally processed the fact that the actor in that movie was not Dinklage. It wasn't just that he'd gotten rid of his bangs, or was shaping his voice differently for the part, it was a completely different actor who was also a dwarf. Imdb.com shows my husband and I are not the only people who confused the two. I'd like to see the two actors play brothers in a movie someday—easy casting choice!

I was also unprepared for how the name of the city was pronounced. I'd assumed that was the Belgians' word for their own city, and was expecting something more like "Broo-hess" (more Dutch) than "Broozh." Still, HOW do you get Broozh out of that spelling? If it were Brujes, maybe, but with the G? No way.

Gorgeous city, though. Quaint, lovely houses and town squares, beautiful canals. Wow.

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Clair de Lune: text - dumbclair_de_lune on September 1st, 2013 07:23 pm (UTC)
Bruges is the French spelling, the Dutch one being Brugge, dixit Wikipedia. I don't known how Brugge is pronounced or which one they "say" in the movie, but what I do know is that in French, G and J, same difference (at least in front of E). Maybe this explains that? Or maybe I totally didn't get what you meant, which is very possible because *points to icon* ;)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 1st, 2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
Actually, you're right, now that I think of it-- fromage! There's that 'zh' sound with a G. I kept thinking of things like Jules and Genet and Giselle (beginning of the word), but could not fathom a decent reason for G to sound like "zh" in the middle of a word.

Plus, yes-- I had thought that people were by now using the city's own name for itself (so, Flemish), and then assumed it was closer to Dutch than French.

You understood perfectly!
Clair de Luneclair_de_lune on September 1st, 2013 09:37 pm (UTC)
Yes, fromage indeed ;)
It all depends on what letter the G is in front of, actually: before an E, I or Y, we say it like a J, but any other letter after it, then it's a 'gh' sound; and a sound I'm not sure how to transcribe if it's before a N, a bit like the ñ in Spanish.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 1st, 2013 10:06 pm (UTC)
That's okay-- I know what that sound is. It's in beignet, and Cologne. :D
Awesomely creepyagirlnamedluna on September 1st, 2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
Brugge is unpronouncable for the English, hence we use the French name, although Brugge is in Flanders and technically should only be named Brugge. Also note that in Brugge people speak dialect or at least with an accent, and the West-Flemish accent has a lot of trouble with G and H (I'm from there, I've been to school in Brugge for a couple of years too, our accents are pretty much the same).

The French pronunciation is different from the English one as well though.
Clair de Luneclair_de_lune on September 1st, 2013 09:56 pm (UTC)
Brugge is unpronouncable for the English, hence we use the French name, although Brugge is in Flanders and technically should only be named Brugge.

Thanks for the explanation. I was a bit confused about why they would use the French spelling / name in the movie.

The French pronunciation is different from the English one as well though

Yes, I've never heard the English pronunciation for 'Bruges', but I can imagine, if only because the French 'u' can be a bit challenging for non-native French speakers.
Awesomely creepyagirlnamedluna on September 2nd, 2013 07:29 am (UTC)
English pronounce it more like the oo in choose, the French u is indeed something on its own, nothing to do with the Dutch u in Brugge either.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 1st, 2013 10:08 pm (UTC)
What do you and the Dutch do with a double-g? It is the same as an English, double-g, or more like the Dutch "kh" sound (hard to write it so it isn't confused with the sound in the English "reach". It would be like the sound in Chanukah or Challah).
Awesomely creepyagirlnamedluna on September 2nd, 2013 07:26 am (UTC)
Um, complicated. For starters, the Dutch pronounce things differently. I speak Dutch, my bf speaks Dutch, and yet sometimes we don't understand each other. He's from the Netherlands, I'm a dialect-speaker who also speaks Flemish Dutch.

Now, us from West-Flanders (I'm from the coast, Brugge is 15 mins inland) pronounce G like H and H like G, most often, to further complicate things. I think English double G comes closest though to what it sounds like. It's mostly the u and sequence of letters that is problematic I think.
nrrrdy_grrrl on September 1st, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
OMG I feel your whole thing there. I have mistakenly thought many famous people were in things that it later turns out they were not. Or I watched something, took an interest in an actor or singer and later mistook someone else for them.

Also: I convinced all my house mates that Janeane Garafalo's name was Steve because I was confused by the credits for Reality Bites and she wasn't famous yet.

I still cringe. And yet I am somehow proud.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Fringe- Astrid Walter Cowhalfshellvenus on September 1st, 2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
:D This usually happens to me with a movie that I saw awhile ago, where I might misremember the cast later.

Do you want to know the worst case of this? You'll die.

Years ago, I came across a bunch of fangirls on an X-Files newsgroup talking about David Duchovny being naked in a few films-- including "The Rapture." Well, I saw that movie and really liked it, but I was left thinking, "No, when was he actually in that movie?"

Thanks to imdb.com... I discovered that I had randomly recast the movie in my head with another actor of the same vintage and (then) popularity whom I liked better, and whom the role seemed more likely for: David Strathairn.

God. I seriously did that. Mentally photoshopped out the right guy's face and everything. o_O

Edited at 2013-09-01 09:06 pm (UTC)
nrrrdy_grrrl on September 1st, 2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
I will keep your secret.
favoritebeanfavoritebean on September 1st, 2013 11:59 pm (UTC)
I loved that movie. We quote lines from that movie all the time. I had always assumed the character was Peter Dinklage too. Now, I have to see which actor it was.

The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 2nd, 2013 06:57 am (UTC)
The actor was a Jordan someone, and from the eyes downward his face really looks very much like Peter Dinklage. It's a fraternal-twin level of similarity!
Trigger Warning: Lifematchboximpala on September 2nd, 2013 02:29 am (UTC)
It is the loveliest city I have ever visited. Despite being driven out of it by mosquitoes.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 2nd, 2013 07:03 am (UTC)
That is a really good recommendation! I've seen a many nice western Europoan cities, but for many it's mostly the larger older buildings that are impressive.

Bruges has many of the same quaint houses as parts of the Netherlands (and colorful, too), where the shape and brickwork are as much of the beauty as anything else. Italy has many pretty cities (Venice and the coastal cities come to mind), but all of the individually charming aspects of several cities all seem to come together in this one. I'd like to see it someday!
Serena64serena64 on September 8th, 2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
You just stitched me up! I read the fist line of your post a few days ago and then stopped as we had In Bruges waiting to be watched and I didn't want to risk being spoiled. I spent the whole film saying to my family "No, it's definitely Peter Dinklage". Now I've read the rest of your post. D'oh!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on September 8th, 2013 11:10 pm (UTC)
:D Isn't it bizarre to be so totally convinced of something that is not in fact true?

Only the searching and reverse-searching at imdb.com finally impressed upon me the fact that Peter Dinklage truly was not in that movie!