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29 April 2010 @ 11:57 pm
Those 1s and 0s won't move themselves...  
My current work PC is just barely able to browse the Internet, meaning that I can't even get to most of the internal sites, let alone stuff like Weather Underground and LJ. So I'm still slogging around back on April 27th right now.

Cycling adventures: apparently, those ugly red dangling things over male turkeys' noses (snoods?) grow over time. On Monday, I passed what must have been a teenaged turkey who had more of a rhino-horn thing going on instead. I also saw the fluffy black cat I'd spotted the week before (probably visiting the parkway from a nearby house), and nearly hit a squirrel who was sitting right in the middle of the path working on a nut or something. I whistled and whistled, and it just sat there. "Hey!" I said as I went past, and it looked up like, Buzzuh? A few rides ago, someone kindly alerted me to the rattlesnake that I'd assumed was a twig (as usual). I gave it wide berth, and I could see the flat head and those telltale chubby cheeks. Honestly, though—the rattlesnakes in this part of the country aren't that recognizable if you're zooming past. They don't have that diamondback pattern, and if they're not sandy-camouflage-colored then they're blackish (the ones in Oregon are black with rings). I don't expect a rattler to look like either of those things! And how did I find this out, you might ask? From random fact-chasing at Wikipedia while I was looking up snake info for my blog-blurb on Snakes On A Train a few weeks back.

Re tonight's SPN, 2x20 , I really envy those of you who don't find the show problematic these days. You probably didn't spend the last half of it grousing "Stop me before I retcon again" at the screen.

I liked the return of Crowley (just because), and Bobby vs. Crowley even better, but that storyline with Sam's friend from college was unnecessary and just felt wrong.

The show seems to be retconning Sam as someone who was always destined to be evil, and could be kept on that demon-track if they just pushed him a little. Well, I remember S1/S2/S3 Sam very clearly, and that isn't who he was. The beauty of Sam was that he always had that hope, that belief in humanity and in the larger good. Where he is now isn't something I believe in—it's more like he's been pushed into that corner so that Kripke can work the story arc he's after, despite how it craps all over Sam's characterization, and that bugs me. And yes, I know I've said that for at least a year now, but it hasn't gotten better.

Randomly, I also feel kind of cheated out of Matt Frewer this episode. What, he cost too much? They're saving him for next week (or never)?

The part where I wish all the slashy text/subtext had been aimed at Sam and Dean, well... hey, at least the show isn't outright mocking my 'ship right now.

Speaking along those lines...

Last night's L&O: SVU reminded me that I'm a slash-lover to the core. I'd never heard of anyone being THAT into pyromania, but the whole scene of Elliot pushing that kid's buttons with the matches and burning paper, and the sexual undercurrents in all of that... whoo! *fans self* I haven't seen Chris Meloni dial up the sexual tension on anyone like that since Oz and it woke me up in all kinds of places I didn't even know existed. I would seriously rewatch that scene at least 2-3 more times. Wow.

flashForward seemed to be hinting at pre-futures and possibly alternate-futures this week. Am I mistaken? All the back-and-forth gets confusing.

ETA: Ahnold is on Leno, and I really enjoy him. *waits for massive defriending*

 
 
 
tidal_racetidal_race on April 30th, 2010 07:01 am (UTC)
I feel exactly the same way about Sam. Thank you!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Hughalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 07:12 am (UTC)
I'm glad it's not just me. I really loved those aspects of Sam, and how they survived despite what he'd grown up with (and made it so necessary for him to leave). S4-onward doesn't feel like the real Sam anymore. He's being pushed around like a cardboard cutout propping up the plot, and it disrespects every part of what made him special. :(
tidal_racetidal_race on April 30th, 2010 07:18 am (UTC)
I do think there are certain aspects of Sam that are more...selfish than say Dean(although Dean has his own kind of selfishness) and I can see a certain amount of hubris being played upon as realistic, but I don't see him as "destined to be evil".
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Samhalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 07:39 am (UTC)
Sam is very much a classic baby-of-the-family, especially with Dean trying so hard to compensate for the lack of a mother (since he knew how important it had been to have one!)

So there's a certain amount of "entitlement" behavior and one-sidedness that at times has driven me nuts (you can tell I'm an older sibling). But that is also almost entirely contained within the Winchester family unit. When it comes to other people, there's the Sam that reaches out to help and the Sam who tried to walk away from it all (I really believe all of that darkness was soul-killing for him, apart from his issues with John). In the end, the wanting-to-help aspect of him has tended to outweigh the self-preservation. If you ignore all of the OOC stuff in the last two seasons that I'd call plot-service more than Sam. :(
tidal_racetidal_race on April 30th, 2010 07:50 am (UTC)
I'm an oldest child who was very family loyal and took care of her siblings, but I also saw the importance of asserting my own independence and not having to be responsible for everyone else, so I loved the season 1 dynamics that played out between Sam and Dean and have always had sympathy for both. I understood why Sam left, but it never occurred to me to think of the darkness as soul-killing for him. Thank you for that view point. I also think that the tension in the family and what he perceived as a lack of understanding and love from John was very hard on Sam. I always saw him as a character of light, not darkness. I understand the road they had to take him down to keep a certain arc going, but I've felt it wasn't done in a consistent way. Feelings of whiplash got common for me after the first few episodes of season 4.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Samhalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
I know exactly where you're coming from! I'm both my mother's oldest and one of my father's middle children, so I've got the mix of all that. That was one of the reasons I loved S1 so much-- the family angst, the tragedy of "never the twain shall meet" for the Winchesters as a triad, was enough to keep me going forever. The monsters/etc. were just a backdrop for that whole thing.

also think that the tension in the family and what he perceived as a lack of understanding and love from John was very hard on Sam.
Exactly. He could not live with that. His father not only didn't understand him, he thoroughly rejected everything that Sam was (and couldn't help being) and he banished him from the family for going to Stanford. There's no other way for a child to interpret that behavior but that their parent doesn't love them. We know John did, but his miscommunication overshadowed all of his feelings, and he ultimately put his revenge before his family (no mater how much the show tries to sanitize that later).

I always saw him as a character of light, not darkness.
Yes, me too. It was part of why he was Dean's balance. Sam gravitated toward the light, always, and was overly-serious about other life aspects (like, "normal life" stuff). Dean bought into the soldier mentality entirely (no matter how dark things got), and at the same time had a playful streak where other RL things were concerned. They were yin/yang in so many ways, and more as a constantly moving wheel of it than anything static, because their yins and yangs reversed depending upon the issue.
she said mysteriously: :slam: Maurice--my name is Mauriceresounding_echo on April 30th, 2010 07:39 am (UTC)
Last night's L&O: SVU reminded me that I'm a slash-lover to the core. I'd never heard of anyone being THAT into pyromania, but the whole scene of Elliot pushing that kid's buttons with the matches and burning paper, and the sexual undercurrents in all of that... whoo! *fans self* I haven't seen Chris Meloni dial up the sexual tension on anyone like that since Oz and it woke me up in all kinds of places I didn't even know existed. I would seriously rewatch that scene at least 2-3 more times. Wow.

I love this so much I can't even tell you.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Half Evilhalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
I knew you'd chime in on this one!

Have you seen the episode? That scene? G.U.H.

Holy cow, that turned my crank. I've got to download that episode just to watch that scene a couple more times. :0
Antyantychan on April 30th, 2010 09:04 am (UTC)
My reaction to SPN these days is, "Blah, blah, redundant, bla blah OOC, blah blah one-brother-doubting-the-other SO last year, blah blah EW GORE, blah blah whatever, blah blah I DON'T CARE."

It's gotten to the point where I no longer download the eps, fast forward, and only watch for Castiel.

WELL DONE KRIPKE!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Hughalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
That is much my reaction too, because it not only doesn't feel like my show but it also isn't heading toward a story I want to see.

I want the brothers to find their peace and love with each other again, and for us to be able to imagine them becoming cranky oldsters down the road.

This constant disconnection and whiplash thing? Not at all. :(
space_raider182 on April 30th, 2010 10:52 am (UTC)
Since I will not be watching SPN until Big Bang is done because these new episodes frustrate me to the point of wanting to revoke my fangirl card, I will concur with you on the points that I can:
California rattle snakes are evil. They are why I hate wearing shorts. But LOL at squirrels ha!
Im sorry computers are doodie heads. They spoil us so and then screw us over. *shakes fist at your work computer*
And lastly, I have the lastest SVU on my DVR right now and I can't wait to watch. Slashy pyromania? Kripke could take a hint.
xoxo
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Yikeshalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
"Frustrate" is about where I've been with the show since after S2. I hear you!

California rattle snakes are evil. They are why I hate wearing shorts.
It seems like a dumb thing to say, but Why can they not look more like rattlesnakes? So we would _know?_ I mean sure, from up close, that broad, chubby face and the rattle itself are very recognizable. But A) No-one wants to be that close before they realize what the snake is, and B) When you're zipping along at 15-20mph, all you see ahead is "snake" or "twig." :0

I think you'll like that particular sub-part of SVU very much. ;)
cindy: spn - dean facepalm (by mixedbatch)tsuki_no_bara on April 30th, 2010 05:34 pm (UTC)
last night's spn was a lot of ooc, wasn't it. i admit i liked the way they tied demon!brady into sam's stanford days, mostly because it didn't feel like they had to shoehorn it in to fit the plot - maybe because we know so little about stanford, the ptb can do almost anything with it - and i thought sam asking bobby about pushing back a possession was kind of a sam-ish thing to say, if INCREDIBLY DUMB, but maybe because i've thought since about the middle of s2 that the ptb were setting sam up as the "omg going over to the dark side!" brother, the fact he's apparently always had guardian demons didn't bother me, and i figured all of brady's "you're just like me, we both have evil inside us" was more a demon taunt (and the ptb going "see? see? EVIL") than anything else. i mean, i don't think sam's the potentially-evil brother any more than i think dean is, and all the ptb finger-pointing doesn't make him so. i totally agree with you that he's always had goodness and hope inside him and has never come across as someone who would ever take dark over light.

i was more focused on how ooc dean was - trusting crowley? REALLY, dean? what part of "demon" don't you get? - but in retrospect you're not wrong about sam. as with a lot of things the ptb are changing him just to serve their plot, instead of changing the plot to serve him.

i also felt cheated out of matt frewer! it looks like next week's horseman is death, which means the boys will have already gotten pestilence's ring. a lot of potentially interesting stuff happened off-screen just so the ptb could try to make us see sam as OMGEVIL some more. hmph.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on April 30th, 2010 08:53 pm (UTC)
It wasn't shoehorned, but I thought it was unnecessary and its only purpose was to say that Sam would be "eventually evil" or whatever, which I don't approve of at all.

You're right, Sam asking Bobby about demon-possession DID seem very Sam... and damn, was that ever a dumb idea. I'd hate to have him try it. *cringes*

Dean with Crowley was more plot-service, and kind of weird. It was as if the writers liked the two of them annoying each other more than whether or not that seemed in-character.

Randomly, I'm suddenly wondering if Brady was played by the same actor who played Morgan (the Devil's backup heir) on "Reaper." He seemed kind of familiar.

Matt Frewer was too much fun not to see again. Let him sneer at people, the way he does. That's why we love him!
Kronette: TW-CoEkronette on May 1st, 2010 12:07 am (UTC)
Just a quick note on Brady - he was Whitney on Smallville. Someone pointed it out because I recognized him but couldn't place where *g*.

Oh, and if you'd care to read my rant about SPN, it's here: http://kronette.livejournal.com/235701.html. Basically, sadly, I think I may be done.
gunznammo2gunznammo2 on April 30th, 2010 11:08 pm (UTC)
I really do agree with you about Sam. Once they got him into season four mode with the sneaking around and getting further and further away from what Sam and Dean once were, it seems as if he's just calling in his performance. Sure, there have been a few bright Sammy moments but this character assassination Kripke and the writes have dealt him is leaving everyone feeling meh. I want my brothers relationship built back up. I want to feel their love for one another burn again. After all they've been to each other and all they've been through together, these angels and demons should just be bumps on the road for them. But then again, I wield no influence and I'm so glad that you and so many other wonderful SamnDean fanfiction writers have kept my love for the Winchesters burning bright. Thank you. :) And if my thoughts have gone completely off track, I'm sorry. What you said just struck a chord within me.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 4th, 2010 06:12 am (UTC)
I want my brothers relationship built back up. I want to feel their love for one another burn again. After all they've been to each other and all they've been through together, these angels and demons should just be bumps on the road for them.
That's exactly the frustation I feel, and so many other viewers as well. I watch for the brothers and their dysfunctional love and loyalty, and we've mostly just had dysfunctional disconnection since Season 3 started. It's very unsatisfying.

And your comments were not off-track at all-- very much what this discussion is about!