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13 November 2009 @ 07:53 pm
With a song in my head...  
And it's never a good one, is it? Though you probably weren't expecting this: "Oh Bwunhilda, you'we so wovewy.."

We've been watching Looney Tunes Collections discs from Netflix for ages, hoping to find "What's Opera, Doc?" (It's on Vol.2, Disc 4 if you ever need to know). I love every part of it, from Elmer Fudd's "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit!" to the love duet between viking Elmer and his sudden enamorata, Bugs in drag (bra on the outside) with viking helmet and braids. But somehow, this is the weirdest part of the whole thing to me:



What in the HELL is going on with that horse? It's so fat and misshapen that it looks more like a melted wedding cake. Why?!?

The grownups watched In The Valley Of Elah last weekend, partly because we have a weakness for Tommy Lee Jones. It was good (though the titty bar scenes were hardgoing), but dispiriting. I found myself checking afterward to see if the writer, Mark Boar, had also written The Hurt Locker, and he had. The latter is a much better movie, despite the stars and great performances in "Elah." If you haven't seen it, I really recommend it-- it'll have you on the edge of your seat, and it's as agitating as its main character, but it's not at all depressing. Fascinating characters in volatile circumstances.

Some thoughts on last week's SPN, 5x08. I enjoyed the "fun" parts of it enormously (the bad sitcom! The tandem bicycle! Dean's manCrush!), less so the mytharc parts.

You know, from the previews of this episode, I wasn't expecting Sam and Dean to actually be staying in the motel featured in the sitcom. Fresh Dayglo Hell! As a detail, though, I liked that the "real" outside door and frame were grimy, and the "show" ones were completely clean! And who wouldn't love the horrific credit sequence for that show, with the fake ghost in the closet and the sheepish shrugs?

I couldn't entirely figure out "which" show that was supposed to be, but when Sam came through the door I was half expecting a "Dean, you got some 'splainin' to do."

The "Dr. Sexy Show" mockery was marvelous, and the Japanese game show (bad commercial detour included) was wonderful. At first, I decided that the answer to question they gave Dean couldn't possibly be "Yes," but then I decided that WAS the correct answer. Think about it-- had Sam not been born, Mary wouldn't have been in Sam's room (where the YED killed her), and her death wouldn't have launched John on the revenge path that ultimately led to him trading his life for Dean's. Sam was not the original CAUSE of those things, but the statement IS true.

Of course, this tends to make one revisit other aspects of that history, such as "Since when does a demon contract EVER involve your second-born instead of your first-born? Talk about lousy retconning." And did Mary put any effort into not having a second child? (Answer: no, because the "deal" was thought up later by the writers. Lame).

Speaking of retcon... I wasn't happy with the Trickster turning out to be Gabriel. Yes, it explains his level of power, but now his motives past and present don't make a whole lot of sense. God may be "not answering his phone," but since when do angels get to decide to kill people? Especially in gruesome ways?

This is one of those problems I have with mytharcs in general, writers destroying their previous canon in favor of new canon. The Continuity Avenger in me hates that.

As for this week's SPN 5x09... some people enjoyed it (and I'm glad they did), but I found it to be a waste of time. If this is the last season, Kripke can do better. And if it isn't... he can still do better!

I'm not a fan of the show commenting on itself (or its fandom) in general, but this was particularly thin. Why didn't Sam and Dean leave immediately (as they should have)? Why did the only woman there besides crazyInappropriateWincesterBecky have to be a waitress at Hooters? (Seriously, talk about an insulting and unnecessary detail)

The ghosts were good and creepy, and I always enjoy the plot twists where the "problem" the boys solve is not in fact the real problem. But the rest of it... meh.

Wish they'd picked someone else besides Fat!Dean to be such a huge part of this episode, and the twist of the Sam&Dean LARPers being a couple felt forced to me. Maybe it was because they didn't seem to like each other much beforehand-- I'd actually assumed they were two random guys who paired up for the LARPing part of the episode!

But, in a fun side-note that nyoka pointed out, the characters were named "Barnes" and "Demian," who are the two Television Without Pity reviewers for Supernatural. WIN on that detail!

Is it wrong that I liked seeing Dean pull out the ghost-vanquishing andiron again? How about him giving weight to the comment about bungee-cording their weapons to their bodies?

Not enough to make the episode worthwhile, but still fun. Still, if we're going for throwaway here, I'd like to see the boys on vacation having a good time. Just sayin'.

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Mara: Windmara_snh on November 14th, 2009 04:09 am (UTC)
And did Mary put any effort into not having a second child? (Answer: no, because the "deal" was thought up later by the writers. Lame).

Why would that be an issue? IIRC, the deal she made was to let YED come into her home in 10 years to do a little unspecified something. There was no discussion of children, regardless of their birth order. Was there? Oh, I'm too lazy to haul out my DVDs!

Speaking of retcon... I wasn't happy with the Trickster turning out to be Gabriel. Yes, it explains his level of power, but now his motives past and present don't make a whole lot of sense. God may be "not answering his phone," but since when do angels get to decide to kill people? Especially in gruesome ways?

Your reaction to the Trickster/Gabriel thing is probably a majority one. I just wanted to mention that the Biblical Archangel Gabriel is a prophet and messenger. This fits Trickster like an expensive Italian glove. I think on Show, angels are killing people right and left, aren't they? Or are they only threatening to?

I find Kripke's Parthian shot the most fascinating single moment of the episode, and I'm still not quite sure what it means, going forward. I'm talking about Chuck's line that it isn't jumping the shark if you never actually land.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on November 14th, 2009 07:23 pm (UTC)
IIRC, the deal she made was to let YED come into her home in 10 years to do a little unspecified something.
Now I'm wondering if I'm remembering that episode correctly! Maybe I was too distracted by the grossness of Mary french-kissing demonDaddy.

I think on Show, angels are killing people right and left, aren't they? Or are they only threatening to?
We'll never know whether Uriel actually WOULD have destroyed that entire town for the sake of preventing the rise of Samhain. And Zachariah is so bent on manipulating Dean that he's threated a lot of things that have never actually happened.

So I can't recall offhand if we've seen anyone but the "Trickster/Gabriel" actually killing people. It typically isn't part of the lore for angels to kill humans, because it steps on "God's plans." Demons don't care, so they do it anyway.

I'm talking about Chuck's line that it isn't jumping the shark if you never actually land.
I dont' know whether that has any actual meaning either, or whether Kripke just thought it was funny. Wish I did!
she said mysteriouslyresounding_echo on November 14th, 2009 08:11 am (UTC)
Looney Toons dvds! I've been meaning to up these on my queue for some time now. That opera one really is the best, isn't it?
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sad Penguinhalfshellvenus on November 14th, 2009 08:30 am (UTC)
That disk also has the pianist Bugs Bunny getting into a musical fracas with a mouse that lives inside his concert stage piano.

Vol ONE, disk 4 had the penguing that cried ice cubes (see icon), the Tasmanian Devil, and one or more of the heart-shaped monster, Marvin The Martian, and the green witch who used to scatter hairpins every time she ran away. Solid gold, I'm telling you!
Princess Robot Bubblegum!astrothsknot on November 14th, 2009 12:42 pm (UTC)
I figure that the demons were genre savvy and thought everyone would be looking at Dean, so they'd go for the second child, whom no one was watching.

On another note, I'm fed up of three, four "Fun" eps in a row. It's not the usual pattern, and it's killing the flow of the major series arc.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on November 14th, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
I figure that the demons were genre savvy and thought everyone would be looking at Dean, so they'd go for the second child, whom no one was watching.

An intersting thought! They've been more wily in the context of this show than they're often depicted as being.

On another note, I'm fed up of three, four "Fun" eps in a row. It's not the usual pattern, and it's killing the flow of the major series arc.
Smells like filler to me, and I prefer it when the filler is MotW format WITHOUT always resorting to crack. :6
Deadbeat Nymph: dean nosedeadbeat_nymph on November 14th, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
I think one of the things most disappointing about the latest ep is that I really liked the ghost story. It was interesting, and the twist was great, but it was so glossed over that it was almost unnoticeable. I like the good old fashioned hauntings, and this one had particular emotional potential; we saw a tiny bit of it with Dean's reaction to the idea that a mother killed her own son. We know that Dean has a particularly cushy soft spot for children: all symbolic little Sammies? his general nature that derives from his lifetime as caregiver/caretaker? In any case, I think it had good potential that was wasted.

I have to admit, though, that I loved the German Hookman. And I liked that Gay Normal Guy Dean and Sam saved the day.

There was a lot of offensive crap in there, for sure.

Oh, and there were other women who didn't have speaking parts who were fans dressed up as their presumably favourite characters (at the very least, a Killing Clown and a Bobby).
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on November 15th, 2009 07:08 am (UTC)
and this one had particular emotional potential; we saw a tiny bit of it with Dean's reaction to the idea that a mother killed her own son.

Yes-- it stopped him cold, as if he couldn't get past the mother's betrayal for a moment. I'd have liked to see them do more with that.

I loved the German Hookman.
The classic nitpicky fan, except slightly more exotic.

And I liked that Gay Normal Guy Dean and Sam saved the day.
I didn't really buy their gayness from an acting standpoint, because there was no connection between them until the end. I honestly thought they were strangers who'd been paired up for the LARPing activity. :0

who were fans dressed up as their presumably favourite characters (at the very least, a Killing Clown and a Bobby).
Was the Bobby a woman? I only noticed from a distance that there was a pseudo-Bobby (probably too distracted by fake Ash), and I didn't think the clown was a woman, but maybe I wasn't looking closely enough. I have only slightly less of an aversion to clowns than Sam does. :0
Deadbeat Nymph: sammy nosedeadbeat_nymph on November 15th, 2009 10:49 pm (UTC)
Yes-- it stopped him cold, as if he couldn't get past the mother's betrayal for a moment. I'd have liked to see them do more with that.

Yes, exactly! Sigh.

I honestly thought they were strangers who'd been paired up for the LARPing activity. :0

That's funny. I thought they were BFFs, but I appreciated the admission of their togetherness, because it seemed sincerely affectionate. And I liked that they were just totally normal guys, engaging in their shared hobby together, and also happened to be gay. I can see that it might not be convincing strictly from an acting POV, but I think it may have been more about direction. I don't really know. I guess what was I responding to was that there were two characters who were just regular guys, who ended up saving the day, and, hey, were also gay and in love.

As for the women fans, I don't remember exactly. But I'd thought I'd seen a few, and then I glanced at TWoP and some people there had discussed it and named a few.

It is sad, however, that the only women's speaking parts were a crazy, delusional, fickle nutbag, a monster, and a Hooter's waitress. Double sigh.
She!Sam of the Real People: SPN: sam and dean - trick or treatlaser_radiation on November 15th, 2009 08:30 am (UTC)
I'm so glad you felt the same way I did about the latest episode.

I don't mind being poked fun at by the show. They've done it in the past and it's been fine. I kind of feel like this episode took it a little far though and that really took away from the enjoyment. Basically, everything you said, I agree with =]

Although! I did like the very end with Crazy!Girl (Becky! I always forget her name.) where she 'broke up' with Sam.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on November 16th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
I'm not a fan of the 4th wall coming down at all, so I've had mixed feelings about all of these episodes (though I've hated the idea of the books and Chuck being a prophet).

This really seemed to be a "love it or hate it" episode. Most people thought it was hilarious, and I really didn't find it particularly funny (it just wasn't very well writen, for one thing-- I still can't see Sam and Dean sticking around once they realized they'd been called for no reason. Dean gets huffy like that, and it's not like there's nothing else they could be working on right now). :0

I'm glad Crazy!Becky realized that ordinary guys have their appeal too (though she's kind of already a Chuck fan, so that's a little weird to begin with).

I like the trick-or-treat icon here. They look like bobble-heads!