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03 April 2006 @ 10:44 pm
Prison Break and 24-Ness  

There was both good and bad in tonight's Prison Break. The Lincoln/Michael backstory did not kill me (although Michael crossing the line with Veronica nearly did, and sheesh-- could that woman be dumber?).

Of the bad-- Sara. God, the whole drug addict thing-- why? So stupid and pointless, and I liked her a lot LESS after that. I'm of mixed minds about her running into Bellick at her Meeting-- it's plausible that he'd direct her to that job, AND that she'd just shoot him down the way she did (which made me cringe). Coincidental, but not deadly. And it lays a foundation for later animosity :D

Semi-bad: Lincoln bumping into Sucre in his getaway burst. Just... why? Why even go to that stupid "Lost-motivated" place? Just quit it. It makes your show look like schlock.

Funny: Sucre robbing the SAME liquor store again (dumbass!) and apologizing for it-- and for needing more money this time. Really, it was kind of sweet and so Sucre.

Best parts: Michael telling Lincoln he's tired of being the older brother to Lincoln, the whole Wall-Morphing and a chance to really look at some of the stuff on there, and finding out that Kellerman's been perkyEvil for a very long time. T-Bag's whole creepy story-- AND his manipulative attempts on that poor woman while he was in jail-- that was fantastic. And, on a shallower note, Linc with a hair profile and the beard stubble, ala "Blade Trinity." God, that's a good look for him.


And on the 24 front:
  • What, has the president's wife started taking her meds midway through this day? Her 180 character shift is giving me whiplash.

  • Bro-Prez... still love you. And your dearly-departed brother. Just... smooth for me, a little. Read me the phonebook in your fine-cut suit. And when you're tired, your brother's ghost can take over the talking, and Jack Bauer after that. Really-- I could enjoy this whole show with my eyes shut just listening to these three actors talk.
  • Aaron, you're a buckethead but I secretly love you anyway.
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    Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 06:12 am (UTC)
    But really who else would be the keeper of the keys? Stick up his ass college graduate brother or shady friends who blackmail me into killing people. It's not like Lincoln had cultivated a bunch of meaningful friendship/relationships.
    The Good, The Bad and The Lana: tajmajingobop michael and popethelana on April 4th, 2006 06:18 am (UTC)
    Neighbour? If I was a junkie with a family who hates me, I'd give it to roughly anybody else, so I don't have to call them up when I'm fucked. So to me it does imply some sort of contact.
    Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
    I wasn't meanig to imply that they didn't have any contact... I just assumed up until this point that they were closer befor all this happened. The disconnect between them just didn't fit in with my idea of how close they were. I guess I just assumed that the relationship was more Michael always trying to save Linc and being constantly dissapointed, but unable to give up on him. From the flashback he seems almost condecending and exasperated to the point of not caring anymore. Like he just keeps coming back out of familial duty and that is all. I don't think you get yourself thrown in jail and ruin your whole life for duty. There needs to be huge amounts of love and devotion and I just didn't see it tonight. It pisses me off a little bit because it changes my ideas on where Michael's head is at. I thought I had a pretty good idea of where he was coming from and this episode has just screwed that all to hell.
    mooyoo: M/L - Goodbye hug Michaelmooyoo on April 4th, 2006 06:31 am (UTC)
    Go read miss_mandy's brother meta post. I like her take on them a lot, especially in light of what I was disappointed with in this episode.
    Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 06:39 am (UTC)
    Read and commented.
    The Good, The Bad and The Lana: brothers bluethelana on April 4th, 2006 06:37 am (UTC)
    From the flashback he seems almost condecending and exasperated to the point of not caring anymore.

    they had wild sex and then Lincoln ran off again and Michael is pissy

    But yeah, agreed. It came across like the Lincoln not making good of their supposed insurance money was the reason why Michael was angry. And that just seems... petty.

    And I thought that the switch from condescending Michael to mission Michael wasn't done believable enough.

    Then again, it's hard to say if condescending!Michael was usual Michael (or had been for a while) or if 95% of Michael was mission!Michael like Michael (as he was in this episode, not necessarily the way he is in prison) and condescending!Michael was more him wanting to finally be pissy with Lincoln. Then again, Lincoln's remark about Michael and his high horse sounded a lot like it wasn't the first time Michael acted pissy.

    Personally, I thought the Linc side of M/L was much more obvious in this eppie, we had:

    - Lincoln, even if it might be ill fated, getting into debt to Michael
    - Lincoln lying to Michael because he knew Michael wouldn't accept it and he still wanted him to have it
    - The whole story about Lincoln making the cranes for Michael
    - Lincoln calling Michael before the shooting/wanting to get in contact with him

    I'll even file Lincoln trying to push Michael away as a sign of him caring.
    Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC)
    Yeah I didn't have many issues with Lincoln's actions in this ep. Though I did think he seemed far to resigned to going to the chair for something that he didn't do. If I was being killed for killing someone I didn't kill I'd be fighting mad. But that's another rant all together. It was Michael who just seemed OOC in this ep. I just don't get where he was comming from at all. I take alot of my own relationship with my sister (without the slash) when I look at the brothers on this show. I know that no matter what my sister does (and she can be exasperating at times) I would do just about anything for her because she is just my person. I love her like crazy and I wanted to see some of that from Michael tonight. It just wasn't there. Even when Lincoln was doing completely stupid shit I needed to see that underlying love. Maybe I need to watch it again and see if I can get something else out of it on second veiwing.
    The Good, The Bad and The Lana: serene veronica/lincthelana on April 4th, 2006 07:06 am (UTC)
    LOL good luck with that :)

    (personally, I doubt much is going to change with a second viewing)

    I'll just keep on fanwanking explanations. Though that is actually a bad thing to do. If the writing was good, I shouldn't have to fanwank explanations to make the actions on screen fit. So fanwanking is really just being nicer to the writers than they deserve.
    Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 07:16 am (UTC)
    I have talked this thing to death. I'm going to make a giant post about it and be done with it.
    (no subject) - thelana on April 4th, 2006 07:24 am (UTC) (Expand)
    (no subject) - fiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 07:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
    (no subject) - thelana on April 4th, 2006 07:43 am (UTC) (Expand)
    (no subject) - fiddleyoumust on April 4th, 2006 07:53 am (UTC) (Expand)
    True :D - thelana on April 4th, 2006 08:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
    mooyoo: Michael - Groggymooyoo on April 4th, 2006 06:57 am (UTC)
    Then again, Lincoln's remark about Michael and his high horse sounded a lot like it wasn't the first time Michael acted pissy.

    At the same time, though, Michael's "I don't want to be a big brother to my big brother" sounds like this isn't the first time he's had to come rescue Lincoln, either.

    Personally, I thought the Linc side of M/L was much more obvious in this eppie

    So agreed on this, and there is much anger at Michael on the TWoP boards. But I feel like this was such a one-sided view of Michael and their relationship - all we saw is Michael being angry and then devoted when he finds out what Linc did for him, but we have no idea why he was angry to begin with, and I don't buy that condescending is his natural personality or that he's been resentful of Lincoln for his whole life.
    The Good, The Bad and The Lana: brothers fencethelana on April 4th, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)
    this isn't the first time he's had to come rescue Lincoln, either.

    LOL, considering what we know about Michael and Lincoln as people, I always assumed that that was pretty much a given.

    Which actually supports the theory that if they hadn't been getting along, that they must have had regular contact. Enough for Michael to help Lincoln regularly and get frustrated with it.

    Mmmmm, want a fanwank explanation for Michael?

    Brain Level:
    - Michael = smart person
    - Michael has a psychiatrist
    - Michael smart enough to know that you shouldn't make excuses for junkies/junkies are weak/you shouldn't pity them

    Emotional Level:
    - Michael really just wants an excuse to get to love Lincoln again. Debt = that excuse => Michael can go into hero mode again; Michael kinda sorta happy with that.

    That actually fits with the "Swear to me". If Michael's brain is telling him that he fears that he is getting in over his head/his judgement might be clouded/he might be *wrong*. But he really *wants* to do it, but he needs one last reassurance.

    Eeee, fanwank explanation complete.

    Personally I haven't checked out TWOP yet, but I don't get why one would be angry at Michael. I get his reaction. Ok, so maybe they aren't what I would like to be from a shippy POV, but they still make sense. What doesn't really make sense is the quick shift in writing from "Ewww, disgusting, pathetic drug addict brother" to "Michael on a mission".
    mooyoo: Linc - Sadmooyoo on April 4th, 2006 07:32 am (UTC)
    A lot of the reaction has been "Michael's such an ass, he's so condescending, what a jerk" with a few people deciding that they really don't like him anymore. Which I was really surprised at, because I thought he seemed very realistic for someone who's been worrying about his brother, who's been watching someone he loves constantly get into trouble, and is fed up with and hurt by it (which we don't exactly have canon evidence for, but that's always been my take on them too)

    What doesn't really make sense is the quick shift in writing from "Ewww, disgusting, pathetic drug addict brother" to "Michael on a mission".

    Exactly. And that really frustrated me with this episode, that they completely glossed over Michael's changing attitude towards Lincoln, which is why it comes off as if Michael's only doing this out of guilt. Which I pointed out over there, and someone replied Well think of this way, the brothers had 3 years before Michael committed his crime to reconnect and be the ones we see on TV today. So I don't of it as too rushed. It's TV time, yo. Which just doesn't do it for me at all. I don't want to hear that Michael's devoted to his brother, I want to see it and see why. *continues to buy completely into miss_mandy's veiw of things*

    - Michael really just wants an excuse to get to love Lincoln again. Debt = that excuse => Michael can go into hero mode again; Michael kinda sorta happy with that.

    Mmm, I like that as well, that he's really looking for a reason to help Lincoln, and leads me to think that maybe some of his anger towards Lincoln is anger towards himself for always buying into Lincoln's shit and for always trying to clean up after him, make excuses for him. And not that he should stop trying to help Linc, but he's been ineffective so far and that's frustrating and he can't stop it. Or something. It's way late here and I should really be asleep right now :p
    (no subject) - thelana on April 4th, 2006 07:41 am (UTC) (Expand)
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    (no subject) - thelana on April 4th, 2006 08:16 am (UTC) (Expand)
    (no subject) - halfshellvenus on April 4th, 2006 05:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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    (no subject) - mooyoo on April 4th, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
    The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on April 4th, 2006 05:11 pm (UTC)
    God, it's a good thing I just went to bed. You guys went nuts in here, and didn't even notice that I'd bowed out. There were 45 post messages in my email this morning, none of them actually to me!

    Ahem, back on track ;)

    The whole story about Lincoln making the cranes for Michael

    This? I thought was one of the WORST writing decisions ever. Because Lincoln=>Origami/Fine-Motor-Control? Bwah-hah-hah! Just... No.

    I felt for Lincoln a lot in this episode, and I can understand Michael being fed up with thim, BUT as we've all said, there was not enough motivation shown here for Michael to stick his neck out the way he did. More like the opposite, in fact. I want to at least SEE the love underlying all the exasperation.

    In *cough* normal circumstances, I'd say I want to see flashbacks with key moments where Lincoln has sacrificed for/supported Michael and what that has built up between them. But given the godAwful kidActor casting this show keeps coming up with, I really DON'T want to see them do that.

    And that sux-- that I don't want to see obvious and legitimate storyline foundations because TPTB just can't be bothered NOT to do crap-casting with the younger actors. How lame is that?
    The Good, The Bad and The Lana: brothers kidsthelana on April 4th, 2006 05:16 pm (UTC)
    Awwww, sorry! But it was all Michael/Lincoln related!!

    This? I thought was one of the WORST writing decisions ever. Because Lincoln=>Origami/Fine-Motor-Control? Bwah-hah-hah! Just... No.

    Hah, glad we agree on that. :D But pliskin had a good idea, that maybe the cranes was something the learned/saw in school, rather than something that he looked up himself. Which I can picture much more easily.

    In *cough* normal circumstances, I'd say I want to see flashbacks with key moments where Lincoln has sacrificed for/supported Michael and what that has built up between them.

    But the problem wouldn't just be finding good kid actors. But finding good kid actors to portray them at 11/15, 15/19, 18/22. No way you can find kids who can portray all stages who look similarly enough to each other and the main actors.
    The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on April 4th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
    Hah, glad we agree on that. :D But pliskin had a good idea, that maybe the cranes was something the learned/saw in school, rather than something that he looked up himself. Which I can picture much more easily.

    Still not buying it ;) I don't see Lincoln as 1)Interested in ever learning that, and 2)Capable of remembering it without HUGE motivation. So... it falls on the floor in a puddle of WTF? for me.

    But the problem wouldn't just be finding good kid actors. But finding good kid actors to portray them at 11/15, 15/19, 18/22. No way you can find kids who can portray all stages who look similarly enough to each other and the main actors.

    Well, TRYING would be an excellent start. Hey, the world (Hollywood in particular) is FULL of kid actors-- it has to be possible to string some together who can meet this demand. I mean, in last week's episode there was randomBlondChubbyLincoln who had no lines. Given that... how hard could it be to do a BETTER casting job?
    (no subject) - thelana on April 4th, 2006 06:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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