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07 May 2009 @ 10:58 pm
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Supernatural 2x21: Why, Kripke, why? I'm pretty sure hardly anyone in the Supernatural audience really wants to see the show go there. And how are you going to get it out in S5? WILL you?

Also, as I cracked to Halfshellhusband, if you go to the Apocalypse (or nearly so-- I remain permanently unspoiled), how do you follow THAT up? Everything after that's going to seem anticlimactic, so from a writing strategy standpoint why hit that peak when you've still got another season left? Leaving aside the whole issue of it seeming excessive and overwrought to begin with... :(

In other TV news, we finally saw the Chuck finale on DVD. Adorable, as always, though I feel like Scott Bakula is one step away from rehashing Quantum Leap somehow (except in the Dean Stockwell role this time). I really hope Chuck gets renewed. It's such a sweet show, and the combination of sweet and entertaining is far too rare. Plus, the antics at the Buy More crack me up.

Randomly, Lethal Weapon is on TV and I'm watching with the sound off. Haven't seen it in years, but I tell you, the homoeroticism still leaps off the screen-- even moreso without sound. That was one of the big reasons I first loved the movie, other than Mel Gibson being gorgeous. Too bad he's become such an unquestionable ass. :(

ETA: Late-night infomercials are SO bizarre. The other night it was people making evil vegetable juices (with things like potatoes and beets). Now it's some twisty-turny exercise machine that you kneel on, and just watching it makes my back hurt. No thanks!

 
 
 
moodswingersmoodswingers on May 8th, 2009 10:55 am (UTC)
See, I hope they go with the Apocalypse in the finale, and get that storyline over with. That would mean that the entire S5 could be used to fix Sam and Dean.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Hughalfshellvenus on May 8th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)
So long as they fix the boys, I'd be happy with that! I want them FIXED, and back together as a unit. With the love and the harmless snarking and everything.

I just worry that Kripke won't be satisfied with that as a "finale" to his arc, and that he'll destroy them further. :(

I've said it before... I'm here for the brothers and the love, and the backdrop of the Supernatural is a fascinating setting for that to play out against-- it completes the unique flavor of the show. But the backdrop is secondary for me.

There are times when I think that, for Kripke, he's more about breaking his characters and grinding them into the dirt in a "Whoo-- let's blow shit up!" kind of way than in a "I have a master arc in mind" kind of way. You know? I worry that he's more of a typical guy, and that our goals for this show ultimately won't align at all. :(
cindy: spn - dean facepalm (by mixedbatch)tsuki_no_bara on May 8th, 2009 03:12 pm (UTC)
i'm kind of wondering that about the apocalypse too. i highly doubt they're going to actually break the last seal and bring lucifer forth - i don't think they have the budget for an extended post-apocalypse, and besides, that makes the show WAY too biblical and so far from its original conception it might as well be an entirely different show. but what do you do after you've averted armageddon? admittedly i wouldn't mind a slower quieter s5 in which we can go back to, you know, saving people and hunting things and the boys learning how to be brothers again, so an anticlimax could conceivably work.

i could be wrong about the lack of actual armageddon, and i guess they really could do it. i'll be really disappointed if they go there, tho.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 8th, 2009 05:19 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with you on all of this-- both in terms of whether/how that might work, AND whether I even want to see it.

I don't.

Prior to S4, the show had a clear "premise" to me that worked very well. Sam and Dean hunt things because the Supernatural in their world is primarily unfocused evil, with some tangential plotting by demons and all but no "Master forces" at work.

In S4, suddenly there's a God (who LETS all of these bad things happen to people, and depends upon Hunters to do his work and destroy themselves in the process), there are angels (who also stand by and watch this crap happen), and apparently now there's a Lucifer?!?

I can't work with that. Admittedly, I'm agnostic, and so the whole religion/faith thing has always been a problem for me. But I can't work with a "present" God who can't control his own universe. You know? Either we're talking Deism, and God is long gone and there are no angels and no Lucifer... or God is THE Omnipresent/Omniscent/All-powerful being who could fix all of this with a snap of his finger.

The Apocalypse only works as a man-made construct for me, and a God who is present while his creation is destroyed-- not by its own choice (free will), but by external evil forces... that's not God. That's an incompetent manager.

/rant.

IF they avert Armageddon, and Kripke mends the boys in S5, I'd be eternally grateful. Having gotten up to this point, I want it to be over, and I want the boys fixed. If they're not fixed during S5, I'm going to wind up pissed off at the show and I'd hate for that to happen.

I own S1-S5 of BtVS. Someday I might get S6, though it's awfully dark and hard to watch. But S7? Never. Whedon torpedoed his own canon in that season, and I'm not going to be a party to that. :(

Wow. Apparently I had a lot to say here. :0
Chat Noir: wincest dean for sam aftmaster_chatnoir on May 9th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
if you go to the Apocalypse (or nearly so-- I remain permanently unspoiled), how do you follow THAT up?

Hmmm....

If they follow Buffy/Angel - another Bigger Apocalypse (they always seemed to be saving the world from the end of the world, didn't they?)...

Something 5000 times more scary than the Apocalypse and anything ever seen on t.v. before!! the boys are sent to dun-dun-dun - SONA - cuz that place was *totally* as horrific as they promised ....

Dean is transported to an alternate universe where Sam is evil and has a gotee?...

The t.v. standby: someone gets pregnant. Let's hope it's not Bobby.

time travel?... introducing female characters the fans will love? (hahahaha!) ... Dean dies and goes to Heaven and is so bored, he gets Sam to help bring him back to life (yet again)? ...

Another t.v. standby: throw a kid into the mix - didn't Dean dubiously possibly maybe have a son? They could grow him up to about 13...{shudder}

But seriously? I have complete and total faith that these brothers will mend their bridges. Unlike PB, the SPN PTB have brains and talent and I'm willing to ride it out because I think that whatever else they do, they won't leave Sam and Dean apart. {crosses fingers}

other than Mel Gibson being gorgeous. Too bad he's become such an unquestionable ass.

Isn't it sad? It makes me regret my total lust from years gone by.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 9th, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
You know, I had NO idea that you watched SPN at all! \o/

Dean is transported to an alternate universe where Sam is evil and has a gotee?...
I know that one! And Sam is dark and sexy, and Sulu Hendricksen's shirt comes off and...

The t.v. standby: someone gets pregnant. Let's hope it's not Bobby.
Hahahahaha! Well, I've already written the Dean mpreg story. It might be fandom's only Gen mpreg. :0

Another t.v. standby: throw a kid into the mix - didn't Dean dubiously possibly maybe have a son? They could grow him up to about 13...{shudder}
God, that one scares me. I was afraid that's where the Surprise Younger Brother episode was going-- the kind of thing that smacks of "demographic adjustments" rather than anything that makes story sense. :0

Unlike PB, the SPN PTB have brains and talent and I'm willing to ride it out because I think that whatever else they do, they won't leave Sam and Dean apart. {crosses fingers}
I'm crossing my fingers too. There are occasional SPN writers who don't know what the hell they're doing, and sometimes it's even the seasoned ones, but there IS someone driving the helm who still cares about his show. That was the thing that really got to me with PB-- the "bringing Sara back from the dead" and the "unkillable T-Bag" and the "Everybody's in SONA!" kind of thing that shows they don't even CARE if the canon makes sense. Yark. :(

Isn't it sad? It makes me regret my total lust from years gone by.
Exactly! I was looking at him in those jeans (great ass!), and in those many many shirtless scenes (complete with homoerotic torture) and remembering why I had the hots for him so hard, only to have everything burn to ash in the last 7-10 years. :(