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19 March 2009 @ 11:26 pm
The Week in TV...  
Finally saw last week's Chuck, which was fun ("Sweep the leg!") and featured more dancing in place regarding Chuck, Sara, and Chuck's future. And maybe it's just me, but I didn't find the British agent at all attractive. Not good-looking, too pushy to be charming, though I give full marks for bravery.

The Mentalist - I really liked this week's glimpses into Patrick's past, where it's clear that he harmed people with his psychic charade and that he knows and regrets it. I also think Kimball is the funniest person on the show. SO dry, and yet all the more hilarious.

Tonight's SPN, 4x16: Ugh.

There were a few isolated moments in this week's episode that impressed me, but so much fail otherwise. I've said before that I'm not on-board with the whole Apocalyptic-arc and the angels vs. demons aspect of this season, so the episodes that focus heavily on that premise tend not to work well for me.

Much as I like the actress playing Anna, and liked some of her story in her prior episode, the idea of her "grace" being stuffed in a pseudo-locket and falling into a tree (to be recovered later) just hurt me with the stupidity of it all. God, what a clunker of an idea. That episode also introduced one of the most ridiculous recurring features of the season, which is angels and demons having fistfights. C'mon—they're more powerful than that! Pull your head out of your American-movie mindset and think for two seconds about how to represent that in a way that isn't utterly craptastic. Kripke, you can do better.

Last week's episode had three bothersome moments. The first was what happened to Pamela, of course. There was no reason for her to actually die—couldn't she just be pissed off at the Winchesters and go off to lead her own "I swear I'll never pick up the phone for you again" life elsewhere? The dying was unnecessary. The second issue was Tess the Reaper kissing Dean to bring back his memories of their prior meeting. A simple touch, or a directed look should have done it—Reapers have supernatural capabilities, after all—so can we dispense with the cheap attempt to throw sex into episodes that aren't about that? And the last part was Sam & Dean in non-corporeal form having a fistfight with Alistair in the Reaper-murdering body. Come on.

Since the writers and producers of the show are so bent on bringing the metaphysical into this season... I'd like them to take a moment and look up what the "meta" part of that word means. Hint: higher-powered beings will not be doing battle with their fists. That would be dumb.

This week's episode's good moments involved Dean getting hacked off at Castiel and Uriel for, as he put it, not resisting the urge for even five minutes to jerk them around yet again. Dean was utterly justified in feeling that way, and it was good to hear him say it. The scene involving Dean's private pleas with Castiel not to make him torture Alistair provided well-acted drama on both sides. And Alistair vs. Dean was well-written in terms of knowing exactly which of Dean's buttons to push. On the humor front, I loved Sam's explosion of frustration after the angels kidnapped Dean, and I got such a kick out of "Uriel is the funniest angel in the garrison. Ask anyone" being delivered with such deadpan.

But on the side of the painful...

Dean calling Castiel "Cas" has never worked for me. It's not cute, it's not humor, it's just wrong—even for someone as irreverent as Dean. Please stop hammering me over the head with it!

Then there's the ongoing disaster of Ruby 2.0 (in general—the lisping and unconvincing line delivery are still a problem, and she still doesn't seem anything like Ruby 1.0), and then there was the climbing all over Sam and kissing him (I'm bothered that he allowed it, not that she wanted it). The drinking of her blood? Just ugh. How does Ruby's demon blood impart MORE POWER to Sam than Ruby has on her own? It doesn't make sense, in addition to the whole idea being completely disgusting. I hate that the show went there.

Alistair and Castiel in another fistfight, and then the Uriel vs. Castiel death-match, goes right back to my previous issue with the whole fistfight concept. I hate being thrown right out of the story with how ridiculous that idea is, especially during multiple episodes.

I pegged both the actual "side" of the battle that was killing the angels and the exact "who," but many of you probably did too. That didn't necessarily detract from anything. The plot-within-the-plot puts many of Castiel & Uriel's seemingly inhumane instructions in better context now, and that does work for me.

As for the ending, though, I'm just... I'm as tired as Dean now, tired of the size of the burden placed on his shoulders, tired of watching him become still more broken and hopeless, tired of the show doing that to him over and over again.

I mean, I hate to say this and you know how I love Dean and his woobie angst and his pretty tears and all that, but enough. That hasn't been entertaining for me for a long time now because I'm worn down by it. I simply don't want to see any more of it for awhile—not until both we and Dean have had a chance to recover from the unrelentingness of it all.

Is that so crazy? The show is starting to pummel me into apathy, rather than tug at my heartstrings, and while I'm not going anywhere as a fan I still can't pretend to enjoy this. It's frustrating and it's exhausting, and it's not what I want from this show. There, I've said it.

I'm sure most of you feel differently, and if so that's good. I hope your love of the show is undeterred and undamaged. Obviously Kripke loves what he's doing with it all, even if I don't.

Next week? Wincest AU plot setup becomes canon!

I'm sure that'll be fun, I just wish that Kripke would lessen the overall torture rather than thinking that occasional "humor" epidodes accomplish the same thing. :(


 
 
 
Harley: SPN: SamDean knife animatedcrimsonkitty88 on March 20th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
Next week? Wincest AU plot setup becomes canon!

*giggling into her fist*
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: heh-hehhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
It's funny because it's truuuuue! :D
Harley: Kripke crimsonkitty88 on March 20th, 2009 06:25 pm (UTC)
*snerk* Kripke's been reading livejournal again.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Laugh SPNhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:42 pm (UTC)
:D Wish he were reading stuff like this-- and all of the complaints about "I watch for the brothers, and they feel like strangers now and it's ruining the show"-- instead of all of the random.

Though I'd probably pay good money to see my Wincest Pirate AU put into action. ;)
Harley: SPN: SamDean knife animatedcrimsonkitty88 on March 20th, 2009 07:09 pm (UTC)
Though I'd probably pay good money to see my Wincest Pirate AU put into action. ;)

...I think I would too.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Flirthalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
"Fetch me my parrot, that I might ponder in style!"

;)
Harleycrimsonkitty88 on March 20th, 2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
I found out yesterday that you can switch your facebook language over to Pirate. Of course I did it immediately and it still amuses the hell out of me. A lot of it sounds rather dirty though... ehehehe
Princess Robot Bubblegum!astrothsknot on March 20th, 2009 08:24 am (UTC)
It'll be something to do with fights are cheaper than special effects. I came to that conclusion in s3 when Ruby and that demon went at it. I wanted a magical duel, but none of the magic in the show has been above eye of toad and tongue of newt.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
It'll be something to do with fights are cheaper than special effects.
Probably so, though it's just SO stupid, and the big fight scenes ideally should not make you roll your eyes. You know? :(
space_raider182 on March 20th, 2009 09:50 am (UTC)
ok. fistfights? Yes, are lame and unbelievable. Sam sucking Ruby demon blood? Creepy, to say the least. Dean crying? Pretty as it is, Im sick of it too and it's happened for like five episodes in a row. And Im totally with you on being against this entire Apocalypse/angel/demon stuff. I just hate seeing Sam and Dean pitted against each other, I guess. But hey, we're not supposed to be completely happy with the show. If we were, where would the conflict be?
Beyond (all) that, though, I really liked tonight's episode. It's my fav of the season so far I thinks. I mean, Dean's torture scene and some of the stuff Alastair told him totally sealed that deal (oops pun?) all by itself. And yet, I still think I need some schmoop before bed.
xoxo
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Diner Deanhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:04 pm (UTC)
I mean, Dean's torture scene and some of the stuff Alastair told him totally sealed that deal (oops pun?) all by itself.
Those parts were really good-- and I was afraid the torture scene would be too gory, but instead it was more "talky" than I expected but in a good way. Character and plot development came out of that.

Not that it was plot that I WANTED, but still.
Serena64serena64 on March 20th, 2009 12:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, unfortunately, my final thought on this episode was "Ho hum, Dean's crying again"
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Diner Deanhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:06 pm (UTC)
Isn't that sad? It's like we've reached the point where the shows gets off on torturing him so much that TPTB have stopped questioning whether that works for viewers anymore.

It's the perfect example of how to ruin a good and once-powerful thing. :(
jeza_jezaro: bqlo_cvetejeza_jezaro on March 20th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
I haven`t watched the last episode, so that was major Spoilers for me ^.^ (No, I love spoilers and red on my own responsibility)

lol I think I gave up on expecting something big from the show when they opened the Hell Gate. My thought were: They can`t pull it off. It`s too much of a bite for them and they can`t do it.

Sadly I was right. And I didn`t expect much from the show, but I am finding myself more and more annoyed lately. The way they are trying to put sex in it just because... the fistfights, Deans' angst... it`s becoming too much for me.

Hope I don`t get as disappointed as you from lastnights episode :s
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:12 pm (UTC)
No, I love spoilers and red on my own responsibility.
Oh, thank goodness. I hate spoilers, and I would hate to have spoiled you for the episode if you didn't want that!

I think I gave up on expecting something big from the show when they opened the Hell Gate. My thought were: They can`t pull it off. It`s too much of a bite for them and they can`t do it.
For me, it was the Apocalypse part. Part of why I don't want to see it is that it's been done to death and rarely well, but also because it's too big to do well, and we also have seen no indication in the past that there's anything but evil running the world when it wants to.

I have Dean's problem-- if there are angels, then why the heck are he and his brother losing their family and risking their lives over something that the more powerful good side should be doing instead of them? In a universe with a benevolent God, that is NOT how things are supposed to work.

And I didn`t expect much from the show, but I am finding myself more and more annoyed lately.
It's the unrelenting grinding Dean into the dirt that's really getting to me, that and the total lack of brotherly love (or brotherness most of the time) between Dean and Sam. This season, they're tending to come off as two random guys who sometimes hang out together and fight evil, and don't particularly like each other that much.

That is so far away from the show I love and the reason that I watch that it makes me frustrated as well as sad. :(
jeza_jezaro: bqlo_cvetejeza_jezaro on March 20th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
So now what? Dean started the Apocalypse (I watched the episode)

If God is pulling the strings then this whole thing really reminds me of Angel Sanctuary. God was bad there.

I`m glad Uriel died though - never liked him.

But what happened with Sam and Rubby really annoys me.(It was pointless and illogical - unless there is something we are not being told) Every time one of the brothers is collapsing emotionally some woman pops out of nowhere and does something sexual with them. For me it's like they are trying to put as much sex in it as they can. You are right - I am missing the brotherly connection. It's about time Sam and Dean start taking care of each other and lick each others wounds. (not literally :D )

And Castiel killing Uriel... O.o I expected at least some lights in their fists. Come on! Angels! As someone said here they should be able to do more than that!
Castiel really is a beautiful name why are they butchering it?

I really don`t like what they are doing to the characters. The plot can do whatever it wants - bring Lucifer, raise hell, destroy heaven... whatever. But I am starting to hate what they are doing to the characters. Is it really necessary to reduce them to that?
cindy: spn - dean looks away (by oxoniensis)tsuki_no_bara on March 20th, 2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
i'm right there with you on the dislike of ruby (the actress and what they're doing with the character) and how utterly exhausting it is to keep watching more shit coming down on dean's head and breaking him more and more. broken!dean was never my favorite flavor dean, and i don't like all the woobie tears and angst and never really have. and to make him the single cause of the apocalypse and the only way to avert it is just too fucking much.

the blood-drinking to gain power is a total cliche, and while i wasn't really expecting it, i wasn't entirely surprised.

i'm going to miss next week's and i'm really bummed. it looks fun, for a change. the ptb have been reading fic again, haven't they. hee.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Diner Deanhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:16 pm (UTC)
and how utterly exhausting it is to keep watching more shit coming down on dean's head and breaking him more and more.
It's become so overused that it's now "Meh. Whatever," and I know that cannot be what the show is hoping to get out of that.

and to make him the single cause of the apocalypse and the only way to avert it is just too fucking much.
100% word. It's TOO MUCH.

i'm going to miss next week's and i'm really bummed. it looks fun, for a change. the ptb have been reading fic again, haven't they. hee.
That's exactly what it looks like-- wonder if we'll see any fleeting attraction between Sam & Dean, and I really wonder how much Dean will resemble 'himself' without the background baggage that shaped him so much? Sam always wanted Normal and strove for it, so I don't think there's as much potential for him to be different from S1 Sam. But Dean? They could go almost anywhere with that!
she said mysteriously: there's one in every familyresounding_echo on March 20th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
Is that so crazy? The show is starting to pummel me into apathy, rather than tug at my heartstrings, and while I'm not going anywhere as a fan I still can't pretend to enjoy this. It's frustrating and it's exhausting, and it's not what I want from this show. There, I've said it.

And you've said it better than most.

I struggled to get through last night's ep. The torture was unnecessary, uninteresting, and bothersome--what a trifecta, guys, cheers. And was I the *only* one who was like, "surely they are going to acknowledge that Dean is torturing a human host in effect to torture a demon?" I mean, jeez, we know the boys are slipping but that seems more Sammy's thing now than Dean's.

And holy hell do I agree with the "Cas" thing! It jars me every time I hear it and takes me (with my already struggling interest) right out of the story!

I think I could have really been onboard with the Angels vs Demons apocalypse thing if it had just been handled better. Literal fistfights between them doesn't bother me the extent to which is does you, but it does seem reductive and unimaginative. Don't angels have more at their disposal?

I loved Anna in her first ep, felt saddened by the part two characterization, but in this ep? She should have just not been in it. Great actress, but what are they giving her?

I do appreciate the Angel arc inasmuch as I adore Castiel. I like his doubting and his inability to deal with it. And though I'm not a shipper, I swear the one-sidded!Castiel Castiel/Dean is canon.

As for the demon-cum-vampire thing, that was actually the most interesting bit to me. Obviously a reference back to the YED-baby-cradle thing, but it seems, I don't know, redundant? If Sam already has demon blood in his veins, what is Ruby's host's blood going to add to the mix? Must be an upper or something. And why do you think Sam wouldn't allow the kiss? Because his sleeping with her was his nadir as a result of Dean being permanently lost to him, but now that's over?
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:32 pm (UTC)
And was I the *only* one who was like, "surely they are going to acknowledge that Dean is torturing a human host in effect to torture a demon?" I mean, jeez, we know the boys are slipping but that seems more Sammy's thing now than Dean's.
I wonder if that even occurred to the writers, actually. But it's the exact kind of thing Dean's always struggled with, and Sam still does too. When he killed Alistair, it was so obviously too late for the human host, but I had a pang nonetheless.

but in this ep? She should have just not been in it. Great actress, but what are they giving her?
It's one of those areas where you can't tell if they wrote the episode's "arc" far in advance and that was always planned, or if they thought, "Well the fans liked her- let's bring her back. For no reason."

I do appreciate the Angel arc inasmuch as I adore Castiel. I like his doubting and his inability to deal with it. And though I'm not a shipper, I swear the one-sidded!Castiel Castiel/Dean is canon.
I like Castiel very much, but he's not worth the show going off into the whole angels and Apocalypse area for me. I'd sacrifice him to have avoided this entire territory. But he's definitely becoming some form of smitten with Dean. Doesn't work for me at all as a sexual pairing, but in a Gen sense it's kind of fun (all the moreso because it IS one-sided, and that's a little weird and interesting).

If Sam already has demon blood in his veins, what is Ruby's host's blood going to add to the mix?
That was my point-- he already had the blood of a far more powerful demon in him. That's why he has any powers to begin with. So the Ruby-blood doesn't work as a storyline for me, and on top of that it's gross.

And why do you think Sam wouldn't allow the kiss? Because his sleeping with her was his nadir as a result of Dean being permanently lost to him, but now that's over?
Yes-- I would HOPE it's over, and I didn't like it the first time it happened. But she seems to have a real attraction to him, so I understand her wanting it. S2 Ruby has never NOT wanted that.
miss_mandy on March 20th, 2009 06:01 pm (UTC)
Wow, I can't believe I read all that stuff about Supernatural, I must really be bored. (Seeing as I have no idea what's going on)

Even though I haven't watched it since the clown episode it makes me sad that the show isn't about two brothers driving around in a car solving urban legends anymore.

I hate when a show changes their whole premise and starts being all about "the bigger picture" or somesuch nonsense. It ruined Buffy and Angel and now it looks like Supernatural is going down the same route.

Here's a lesson for tv writers: Stay small! If your show is about a teenage girl fighting vampires, don't suddenly introduce demon mayors and underground supernatural military bases and all powerful gods and armies of ubervamps! When you go too big it takes away the intimate feel of the show. ;_;
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
Even though I haven't watched it since the clown episode it makes me sad that the show isn't about two brothers driving around in a car solving urban legends anymore.
Me too-- THAT was what I loved about the show. The boys being brothers, trying to find peace and some kind of happiness with each other despite being so different and despite Sam really having wanted to live by his own rules.

I hate when a show changes their whole premise and starts being all about "the bigger picture" or somesuch nonsense.
That's been my problem since parts of S3, and throughout S4. I don't WANT that from the show-- it makes the episodes LESS interesting to me overall, and it loses (as you say) the intimacy that first pulled me in. Plus, in this case, the big picture is unrelentingly ugly and destructive of the characters I love, so why on earth would I want THAT?

I loved Buffy, and even the part with the mayor was good for me-- it was crackTAStic, in fact. God, I loved that character, and his combination of Ward Cleaver homilies and megalomanic destruction urges.

But the rest of it became too much. The small scale worked wonderfully, but the rest became overload and just created more opportunity for inconsistencies. S6 was hard to watch, and I hated all of S7 (and the Slayerettes who suddenly appeared even though "There can only be one Slayer" had been handed down to us from the Pilot).

The Supernatural thing actually reminds me more of the X-Files disaster. All these great isolated episodes of Scully and Mulder poking into the weird got lost in some larger "conspiracy" that fractured away into space aliens that spoke Navajo and a bunch of other WTF? Which on top of everything else was boring.

You have to keep control of your "scope" or you're going to veer off into crack. And I hate to see a show I love drifting off into that direction. Already lost Prison Break to it-- I don't want to lose Supernatural too. :(
miss_mandy on March 20th, 2009 07:38 pm (UTC)
At least we'll always have The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I am loving Season 2 right now and I'm so excited for it tonight!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
At least we'll always have The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
In common, you mean?

I really enjoy it, but my level of fannishness doesn't begin to approach my love of Supernatural or (once) Prison Break.

Heck, "House" and "Reaper" aren't on that level for me, and I LOVE those shows!
veristic on March 20th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
Is that so crazy? The show is starting to pummel me into apathy, rather than tug at my heartstrings, and while I'm not going anywhere as a fan I still can't pretend to enjoy this. It's frustrating and it's exhausting, and it's not what I want from this show. There, I've said it.

So true. :(

I am looking forward to next week; it's basically "The Common Fate of All" comes to canon!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on March 20th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
it's basically "The Common Fate of All" comes to canon!
I don't think I've read that particular AU, but it looks like a funny episode and one in which the boys don't know each other to start with and we can see how they get along as strangers (especially given that without his past, Dean would be very different from "our" Dean who has a whole life mission that conflicts badly with Sam's).
Deadbeat Nymph: dean nosedeadbeat_nymph on March 22nd, 2009 02:06 am (UTC)
I agree with every single you said except for maybe one. I too disliked the whole angel story arc from the beginning. Lilith carried over from last season, and Alastair made sense because of Dean's time in hell, but the whole angel crap was just OTT from the beginning. I do appreciate the fact that Dean has to fight this because he's the one that 'started' it and not because he is some sort of anointed Chosen One, but that's about it. 'Cas', fistfights, eye-roll inducing 'mythological' elements, 'grace' stored in freaking crystal lockets...

Anyway. Enough of that. Suffice it to say that Dean/Castiel shippers will probably be pleased. (On a side note, I can actually ship Dean/Alastair more easily than Dean/Castiel. :-o )

I do believe that Dean would be massively fucked up after having spent any time in Hell, regardless of the forty years and time as torturer. People get PTSD from car accidents, so I do think Dean's pain is appropriate. However, the way they're handling it might not be, always upping the ante. It's like they want to hurt their pretty boy Dean good, but he still has to be A Man therefore the cause of pain has to be staggering, overwhelming, constantly growing bigger than anyone could have imagined. I personally would like to see more of just Dean dealing with the effects of Hell without the emo torture additives, and more of Sam trying to help him through it. That would make a lot more sense, and be more in character, and also provide lots of conflict, because Dean is not one to let himself be 'babied.'

Oops. I think I've said too much about my Big Bang! *makes shifty eyes and runs away*

I do give credit to Jensen, though. Regardless of the script and storyline, he is doing an amazing job. It's not just that he can emote; his ability to express things subtly is very impressive IMO.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

P.S. Re: Next week? Wincest AU plot setup becomes canon! I have no idea what this means, and I avoid spoilers pretty hard, but :-o and =D.

Edited at 2009-03-22 02:10 am (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on March 22nd, 2009 06:08 am (UTC)
However, the way they're handling it might not be, always upping the ante. It's like they want to hurt their pretty boy Dean good, but he still has to be A Man therefore the cause of pain has to be staggering, overwhelming, constantly growing bigger than anyone could have imagined.
I think that's part of it-- that it needs to be so big that Dean's justified in feeling the ache-- but TPTB don't understand that none of that is necessary for the viewers, and when you turn something into a one-note show it doesn't resonate with viewers the way that it should!

Oops. I think I've said too much about my Big Bang! *makes shifty eyes and runs away*
:D That story idea totally works for me! And lots of other people, I imagine-- H/C is a classic format. :)

I have no idea what this means, and I avoid spoilers pretty hard, but :-o and =D.
That was just from the previews of next week-- the boys appear to be in some AU context where they don't know each other. And therefore don't realize that they're brothers. Booyah! \o/