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22 January 2009 @ 10:21 pm
Failures of Fandom and Other Random  
Many of you have probably heard that someone in the SPN fandom was outed to her friends and family today by some malicious person who posed as an online friend.

I know that this news likely makes you feel as sad and horrified as I do, but to leave no doubt in your mind, let me ask: how would you feel if someone did this to you? We gather here in the spirit of common interests and trust, all thrilled to have found a community of like-minded people. But to the rest of the world, our extreme interest in particular fandoms (and the reading and writing of fanfic) would seem ridiculous. "Outing" someone in fandom to his/her RL world would be like someone revealing that you play with dolls (or if you're a guy, that you have an entire electric train setup in your house/garage and that you hang around rail stations and train trestles to take pictures of engines). Not that there's anything wrong with either of those hobbies. But they, like what we do, are regarded by other people as childish and silly.

Remember that shared fandoms, regardless of how deeply we happen to participate in them, bring us joy. That joy is why most of us are here. Please, let's have the decency toward one another to make sure it stays that way.

~*~

I've been listening to some of my Christmas CDs, or trying to. The Marcy Playground "Shapeshifter" CD hasn't really caught hold with me (despite the great cover art). Many of the songs remind me of things on "MP3" (the third album), but they don't hang together as well as in that final version. I'll give it a few more tries, but then I'm back to albums 1 and 3.

For years, the most ecclectic CD in my collection has been "Odelay". I'll run across something on my iPod and think, "This is bizarre... in an interesting way. Must be Beck." And 9/10 times, it is. I asked for "Modern Guilt" for Xmas, and I'm enjoying it so much that I haven't moved on to any other CDs. It's less alternative than "Odelay," but all the tunes are very catchy and with just that touch of weird. "Gamma Ray" is a happy-idiot song that sticks with you for days. The title track is smooth and persistent. But the most interesting song is probably "Walls," which includes a thrashy drum sound and runs a Peking Opera style backdrop behind the pop-music melody. Utterly irresistible.

Yesterday, I listened to Best Of The Animals (one of HSH's Xmas gifts). Very heavy blues influence in most of these songs (including, obviously, "House Of The Rising Sun"). There were also several familiar offerings I hadn't realized were by this group. For "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood," though, I'll never stop wondering why they didn't re-record in the studio until everyone could sing in tune. God, the pain never dies.

Still waiting to check out Temple Of The Dog and the Incubus album I got with Pepsi Points. Stay tuned...

Finally, on tonight's mostly "Yay" episode of SPN: Barry Bostwick has an awesome guest-turn as a has-been magician, joined by John Rubinstein and Gregory House's Season 5 Private Investigator! Sadly, Ruby 2.0 also makes an appearance (same S4 meatsuit, same problems with line-delivery), and lisps her way through Dire Warnings of Doom And Gloom, seriously undercutting her message. :(

Also, anvils are brought out and paraded around the room several times, and then (as colleenish so wonderfully put it) Sam somehow manages to take hold of the wrong end of the anvil. WTF?

But in the meantime, both brothers are equally involved in this episode for a change. Dean gets spectacularly pranked, Barry chews scenery in an orange satin shirt, and Sam deals with the acute embarrassment of having someone see through his cover (how I've missed you, sheepish-Sam!).

And, to judge from his facial expressions, Dean was either forever traumatized by the sacrificial bunny in last season's "Malleus Maleficarum" or he has some long-standing rabbit issues that we have yet to discover. :0

ETA (because I am all about the randomness tonight): I see that the Magnificent Bastard has found a home on "Numb3rs" now. I mostly don't watch that show because I have issues with both Rob Morrow and the excruciating levels of math-voodoo-fakery, but still—Magnificent Bastard! He's back!

 
 
 
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 07:48 am (UTC)
Re: Sam WAS in Show, wasn't he? ;) HOLY CRAP AND HE DID STUFF.
Sam had as much a part of the plot as Dean this week, and what was unusual was that the guest characters mostly drove this episode. There was a lot of the story that featured neither Winchester, but not so little that the boys seemed to be randomly wandering into the end of their own show.

That was my boy! Idealist Sam!
I really think TPTB forget that we love that Sam is different from Dean, and that in many ways Sam is us. He's the "outsider looking in" on his own family. And the combination of the two of the brothers' personalities achieves a kind of balance. That's why the two of them together, being THEMSELVES, is what defines this show.

And did you see the promo? Because it was awesome. I am so psyched for next week!
I vaguely processed something like "Sam Winchester was an emo-kid in high-school, who needed to cheer up" and "High School is the scariest place on earth" and "The show teases us all by dressing up Dean as Jason Teague for this episode."

Or something. ;)

Edited at 2009-01-23 07:49 am (UTC)
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Jensenhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 08:14 am (UTC)
Re: Sam WAS in Show, wasn't he? ;) HOLY CRAP AND HE DID STUFF.
Clearly I wasn't paying enough attention! My husband was heading off to bed, so I was a little distracted.

but he looks so much like Jensen that it's almost less remarkable because the first time I saw a promo shot I thought it was Jensen with a tiny!Sam.
I missed that, and I so hope it's true. I haven't liked the casting of tiny!Dean at all just because the only thing he and Jensen share are freckles. They don't look anything like each other aside from that, and I think the casting could be better.

Well, this sounds like an interesting upcoming episode! Now I'm looking forward to it even more. :D
I'm the girl that you just won't admit you adore.: brother's_keepertabularassa on January 23rd, 2009 07:58 am (UTC)
"Please, let's have the decency toward one another to make sure it stays that way."

Yes. <3
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 08:16 am (UTC)
I just don't know what is wrong with a person, that they would let their jealousy over someone else's talent (because 10 to 1, that's what it was) drive them to do something so absolutely awful.

I so feel for the poor woman this happened to, and I'm so angry that she's been put through that.

People need to remember that we are all in the same boat, as members of a fandom, and we need to keep each other's secrets for the good of us all.
I'm the girl that you just won't admit you adore.tabularassa on January 23rd, 2009 08:19 am (UTC)
I know! And what's more worrisome is that she must have known her pretty well, and considered here a friend, and this is just SUCH a betrayal. AWFUL.

Exactly, we need to band together for support. <3
Helen W.wneleh on January 23rd, 2009 11:21 am (UTC)
I am TOTALLY, TOTALLY against outing people.

But I don't make a secret of my own fannishness - I just wanted to get that out there, that it's not something that everyone has to hide.

And *that* said, I don't provide relative RL strangers, or have plastered on my door at work, my LJ or my fanfic url. But I got my first post-PhD job through fandom; and everyone knew the family was at Arisia last weekend, where we ran into a number of people we know from all different parts of our lives. So maybe it's a Boston burb swirl-around-MIT thing?

ETA: If I were to write true porn, I'd probably not post it as wneleh. And there's stuff I don't engage in on-line because I don't have a really good pseudonym, or the right personality to maintain one.

Edited at 2009-01-23 11:30 am (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 06:06 pm (UTC)
Not everyone keeps it a secret-- it may depend on how much your RL friends are into the things you like. Mine? Not so much, or at least not to the degree that I am.

But for those of us who DO write porn, we typically don't use our real names when posting. In this case, the "outed" person also did not. She had an unrevealing username, and the the person who attacked her RL tracked her down via Facebook.

I don't mix RL with my fandom life. My husband knows that I write fanfic (even porn), but nobody else does. Given the whole brothercest thing my two fandoms lend themselves to, I'm fairly confident that friends and family wouldn't understand. Probably. My parents would be the opposite-- they'd read too much into it. ;)

And I don't have younger siblings, as the "outed" person does, for whom being emailed links of your brothercest porn would be especially shocking.

The person who did this never even considered that she was damaging the "outed" person's family as well as that person, not to mention that emailing porn links to those who are underaged might be considered a criminal offense. :(
Helen W.wneleh on January 23rd, 2009 06:22 pm (UTC)
At a party, would you want someone such as myself to ask if you were you? Or would you just as soon they kept their suspicions to themselves? Or got you alone to ask?

This is the sort of gray area I'm frequently finding myself in.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
I'd want you to get me alone to ask, but then again... I'm having trouble answering this not thinking of _you_ as the "you" here. I have a good feel for your personality via your postings and such, so I'd have no problem with the real Helen asking me that.

Some random online person, though, hmmmm... If I were interacting with them online, would it still be okay? I think I'm still on the "Ask when we're alone" thing.

So hard to say! My RL environments for parties (rare) and such have no overlap at all. I mean, I work with engineers! Their idea of frivolity is video games, which many of them play. But other than that, they're typically very serious people.
Helen W.wneleh on January 25th, 2009 12:27 pm (UTC)
The times I've realized the person I'm talking to face-to-face is someone I know on-line have generally had me squealing before I could work through the implications. So far, it's always been okay.

But I've recently realized (okay, I had a hint that she lived in the general Boston area, and so did five minutes of internet stalking) that a major writer in a fandom I'm in lives a half-mile from me; and its very likely that we've been at the same backyard barbecues before, and will be again. Except asking the hosts if she *has* been there - well, that outs her. Even asking to have her pointed out would be outing her. And yet, to be in the same general space and NOT make this connection seems bizarre.

It's a conundrum!

My RL environments for parties (rare) and such have no overlap at all.

Heh, I'm married to an extrovert who is excellent at faces and attracts interesting people. We're socially active several times a week; then there's church stuff, and school stuff, and birthday parties, and managing the neighborhood kid dynamics with the other families. And it all wraps in on itself to the extent that it's very hard to answer the question "How do you know X" without going back to who roomed with whom in 1985. Left to my own devices, I might live a very different life!

I mean, I work with engineers! Their idea of frivolity is video games, which many of them play. But other than that, they're typically very serious people.

We're all called engineers where I work, but most of us actually are degreed in other things - my closest collaborators are math PhDs and MIT Media Lab grads. It's fun, but our code's not very pretty! I'm not the only person with action figures on my desk.
Recycledfaery: Sometimes when I'm far away fromrecycledfaery on January 23rd, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Oh Gosh that is just evil. Why would anyone do such a thing?
This is supposed to be a safe place
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC)
I honestly have no idea, and I really think jealousy is the most likely reason. When you combine that with an unbalanced personality, this kind of thing can result.

But the person who did this went to extensive effort to "stalk" out the other woman's true identity, and then maliciously informed the family and friends.

I have no other word for it than evil, myself. It's just awful. :(
cindy: spn - shoulder nudge (by carmendove)tsuki_no_bara on January 23rd, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
powers!sam is my least favorite sam, but i'm so glad the brothers-have-issues part of last night's episode focused more on him than on dean. (i'm tired of the dean-tormented-people-in-hell-and-liked-it storyline.) i'm glad sam got to do something besides just stand around as the sounding board for dean's angst. still don't like ruby, tho. well, probably more accurate to say i don't like genevieve. i never thought i'd miss katie cassidy, but i totally do. she was sharper.

barry bostwick was so fun, tho, and i really liked his character and his two washed-up magician friends, and overall i thought it was a good episode.

i always thought don't let me be misunderstood was an elvis costello song. it was a loooong time before i realized his version was a cover.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 06:26 pm (UTC)
powers!sam is my least favorite sam

Mine too. I like Sam for who he IS, not what he can do. He's already interesting enough by simply being Sam. Plus, I don't find power!Sam "hot" in the way other people seem to go nuts over. It's like some kind of kink for them, and for me it's "Whatever. Story."

still don't like ruby, tho. well, probably more accurate to say i don't like genevieve. i never thought i'd miss katie cassidy, but i totally do. she was sharper.
Word-- I got used to Katie Cassidy once we had an idea of what Ruby was supposed to be (other than campy). I never liked Meg. But after a few episodes I was in synch with Katie's portrayal, and the character made sense to me. Genevieve is simply awful as an actress in general. If you can't deliver your lines with conviction (and like you understand what they mean), acting is not the business for you. And shame on the casting director/show-producers for not having done something about this already.

It's very telling, I think, that in "IKWYDLS" we had two separate fly-by actresses who were able to channel the Ruby personality of S3 better than Genevieve. The maid got it in under two minutes of screentime, for crying out loud! She was fantastic!

barry bostwick was so fun, tho, and i really liked his character and his two washed-up magician friends, and overall i thought it was a good episode.
Oh, me too. I liked the comraderie between them and the way they stuck together as a support group. And Barry's character still had a little bit of "dash" in him despite the cheesiness of where he wound up in life. It's fascinating, really, how much Charlie must have loved Jay and believed in him to want to restore him to glory (and beyond, as it turned out). We found out that Charlie had already been through several rounds of living by then, and he'd obviously lost some moral perspective. But his love for this special group of friends, twisted though the outcome became, is really striking and kind of bromantic when you get right down to it. Of the lives Charlie had lived, these two men were special enough to register as such with him and earn his devotion. That they seem (magic aside) like regular guys says something about who they must have been as people apart from their abilities as magicians.

Do you know what's ironic here? The young Charlie is actually old Charlie's (John Rubinstein's) son, and yet they probably should have cast someone else because they don't look like each other at all!
cindy: spn - shoulder nudge (by carmendove)tsuki_no_bara on January 23rd, 2009 07:00 pm (UTC)
i also think katie got better as an actress, or the ptb figured out what to do with ruby and which direction to take her. she was too smirky and coy in the beginning, but she kind of, i dunno, focused or something. they made her more of an actual character and less of a plot device, and either she was up to the task from the start, or she got good enough to carry it. genevieve, not so much. altho i keep hoping we'll find out there's a story/character-related reason why she's so flat and unconvincing.

i loved that charlie loved jay and vernon that much, that in all the years he'd been alive and all the people he no doubt met and worked with, these were the two guys he loved enough to bring into immortality with him. they reminded me a little of old jewish guys at a retirement condo complex or something, sitting around chatting with each other and playing cards and reminiscing about the old days and bitching about the kids on their lawn. i totally bought that they'd been friends for decades and decades.

and we don't see a lot of cases like that, with someone using supernatural forces in service of their friends, out of simple love and devotion. it's nice to see.

>>The young Charlie is actually old Charlie's (John Rubinstein's) son, and yet they probably should have cast someone else because they don't look like each other at all!<<

weird! and yeah, definitely ironic. kinda cool that they cast the son to play the younger version, tho.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
she was too smirky and coy in the beginning, but she kind of, i dunno, focused or something. they made her more of an actual character and less of a plot device
Yes, all of this, I think. She got less smirky and coy and more snarky and snappy, and her character started to have actual purpose IN the plot rather than being a story decoration (*eyeroll*).

i totally bought that they'd been friends for decades and decades.
Exactly-- they'd formed their own family of the three of them, and it was fantastic. We rarely see this on television anyway, not to mention within that age group!
elanurelelanurel on January 23rd, 2009 05:31 pm (UTC)
But to the rest of the world, our extreme interest in particular fandoms (and the reading and writing of fanfic) would seem ridiculous.

You're exactly right. And, ironically, I had this very conversation last night with one of my best friends from college. He started telling me that he couldn't understand why I wrote fanfic, given how many original pieces I'd written in college, and the only answer I could give was: because I really enjoy it. It's fun. I've met some awesome people doing it.

I mean, I like playing in the sandbox and I like seeing how other people play in that same sandbox. But it should always be fun. And there should always be respect.

Edited at 2009-01-23 05:34 pm (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
the only answer I could give was: because I really enjoy it. It's fun. I've met some awesome people doing it.

Really, it's all about where the satisfaction is. Most of us (though perhaps not you!) don't have a novel in us. Our ideas don't stretch that broadly. So what's left? For fiction writers, it's very hard to get short stories to go anywhere, and I can speak to the difficulty of getting individual poems published!

Do we want to write fabulous (we think) original stories that no-one reads? Or do we want to write about something we love and enjoy discussing it (and our fandom) with people who actually read what we write?

I personally find that writing stories to "no" audience is not terribly rewarding, especially when I've spent a lot of time on them. I have a few that I think are really, really well-written that hardly anyone read (the most telling was a story about a character in my other fandom where none of the people who are gaga over that character even commented. Ouch).

But it should always be fun. And there should always be respect.
Always, ALWAYS, life should be lived with "How would you feel if someone did this to you?" before you act.
elanurelelanurel on January 29th, 2009 06:48 am (UTC)
Well, all other things aside, history has proven that I don't have an original novel in me... At least not one that's been finished to my satisfaction. ;)

But you're absolutely right about wanting to share stories with people who will appreciate them. It's also been good for me in that I am terminally shy (no, seriously) and wouldn't even think about letting people read anything I had written three years ago. And then I stumbled across fandom. Despite some of the bumps along the way, I wouldn't trade it. Or the people who helped me become a much better writer.

Always, ALWAYS, life should be lived with "How would you feel if someone did this to you?" before you act.

Right there with you on that one. Then again, I don't generally hang out with people who are disrespectful of differing viewpoints, online or otherwise. ;)
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Mostly, <i>yay</i>. ITA
Sam's got clowns; Dean's got bunnies. Now where's the crack!fic?!

It's funny, because the first time the bunny thing came up it was hanging dead from a ceiling and dripping blood. We could understand why Dean flipped out over that. But when you take into account his expression in this episode, just looking at the bunny... the context seems the same as if someone were waving a giant hairy spider around, or as if Dean backed INTO that big dead spider the first time around. :0 PhOOObia!

One of the (visual) highlights of last nights ep for me: Jared in a suit & Jared's back/shoulders/arms encased in broadcloth. ::faints::
I am personally all about Jensen, but Jared's shoulders (especially in that shirt) were really impressive! They need their own zip code!

Who is the M.B.?
From "Smallville," the actor (John Glover) played Lionel Luthor. Television Without Pity used to refer to his character as The Magnificent Bastard, and honestly... he was! But he'd no longer on Smallville, so it's good to see the actor getting a new gig. :D


happy is as happy does: Sam (LDPC) - SPN (look at that smile)happywriter06 on January 23rd, 2009 10:37 pm (UTC)
That's just awful. I would feel so violated.

Wasn't a huge fan of last night's episode. I mostly bored. And some parts felt clunky. But there was Sammy. Like he was there and doing stuff.

Dean gets spectacularly pranked
The best.

sheepish-Sam!
His facial expression kills me every time.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Samhalfshellvenus on January 23rd, 2009 10:44 pm (UTC)
The best.
Dean's prank was wildly overdue, especially given that pretty face and smirky attitude. You had to know someone was going to get him for that. ;)

Say, I know you could use a lift right now... go here (should be in the English-translated version) for little testament to your writing skills. :D
happy is as happy does: Dean smiling - SPNhappywriter06 on January 28th, 2009 04:47 pm (UTC)
I had seen that. Thanks though. It doesn't hurt to read it over and over. Now I have no excuse about this big bang.
aeroport_art: facefaultaeroport_art on January 24th, 2009 07:34 am (UTC)
Ruby 2.0 also makes an appearance (same S4 meatsuit, same problems with line-delivery), and lisps her way through Dire Warnings of Doom And Gloom, seriously undercutting her message.

Seriously, about the undercutting her message thing. I was so distracted and annoyed by her weird talking, by the time they were done I had no idea what had just been said D:

And the young Charlie...I thought he looked familiar!! Hahaha
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 24th, 2009 07:51 am (UTC)
I was so distracted and annoyed by her weird talking, by the time they were done I had no idea what had just been said D:
So it wasn't just me! I heard "34 seals broken" and "Sam" and the rest was lithping and weird vocal inflections and I missed the other details.

It's kind of like having someone clump around on a pegleg during a scene when no pirates are involved. :0

And the young Charlie...I thought he looked familiar!! Hahaha
I miss him on "House" now. He was good at what he did, very perceptive, and (especially given his job) fairly easy-going and forgiving of other people's faults. Which allows him to call House on his B.S. without setting him off, and that's a different dynamic than we usually see. :D
heliokleia: KMAN IC - SECRET SERVICEheliokleia on January 24th, 2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
Hiya, my dear Mme Venus, after I've seen this post of yours, I knew it was about time for a comment.

First of all, I'm kinda shocked about what happened to the poor girl and feel very sorry for her.
There are seemingly more assholes around than I suspected and that's why for myself, I am very careful with such an important information. I have two very, very good RL friends, but if they would know about my LJ, they would shake their heads and call me pervert.
*nods**nods*
Aside from the fact, that they never could imagine about something like fanfic in general and slash-fic in particular...
So, Summary: Better safe than sorry.
*nods**nods*

Good. Now to the boys' latest adventure: I loved that eppy!! Aside from the fact that I've known Barry Bostwick only from Spin City until now, I was very impressed by his acting skills. He was great in that role! Also great was that Sam has become more scenes again - I was all drooling in my seat as I saw him in that suit-shirt... and then came Ruby 2.0... :( :(

-And Dean's face, to Jay's 'executioner'-trick LOL!!
It was also funny, that his comrades tried to trick Dean — by sending him to that gay bdsm club. The look on EL DEANO's face was priceless, LMAO!!

Finally, it hurts to see that Sam is starting to hide some of his actions again.
Don't cut your brother off again, dear, stubborn Sammy, don't you know that you can handle this hole thing only together??
*sighs*

With that, I close, my dear Mme Venus and thank you very much for this real interesting post.
- Oh, one last querry: Maybe I'm standing on it, but the Magnificent Bastard, you've mentioned above... do you mean HIM?? (look at icon)

- and, self one (not Don!^^) too, has become issues with Mr. Morrow at this season of N3...
Since Diane Farr aka Megan Reeves has left the show and Don's sexy spikey hair has grown again, plus some stupid & boring chicks and storylines
have come in, N3 has become more and more annoying... :( :(

But, Thankx Heaven, we still have the unique Winchesters and The Pretty - even if it's only for another few months, in The Pretty's case...

Have a nice weekend, my dear friend!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on January 24th, 2009 06:03 pm (UTC)
was very impressed by his acting skills. He was great in that role!
I loved him in Spin City (I have such a weakness for the "loony boss" archetype), but even my husband pointed out that Bostwick did a great job also with the dramatic parts of the story, even though we've come to expect comedy from him.

-And Dean's face, to Jay's 'executioner'-trick LOL!!
Those moments crack me up, because after teasing Sam about his "magician phase" earlier, Dean reveals his own 'fanboy' nature without meaning to!

Finally, it hurts to see that Sam is starting to hide some of his actions again.
It does, but at least it feels real for Sam. He's had so little character depth this season.

I think that unfortunately, growing up with the father he did, Sam has a pattern of trying to argue reasonably for what he wants/needs to do (Stanford), and when he can't get his point across he does it under the table. Because Sam still needs to be Sam, and if he's not getting the support he needs than he's darn sure not going to expose himself to the disapproval.

Here, the problem is that he truly doesn't realize that the task is too big (Alistair was too big for him). But even so, Dean probably really can't help him with Lilith. Dean would only be an emotional liability for Sam, because Lilith can hurt Dean easily.

do you mean HIM?? (look at icon)
Oh, sorry! No, "Magnificent Bastard" was a label the Television Without Pity critic coined for Lionel Luthor on "Smallville." It was borrowed by Prison Break fans, because it also fit Kellerman really well. ;)

Have a great weekend! And you missed a Sam/Dean porn back on the 12th, BTW. Might like it!