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16 December 2008 @ 05:24 pm
I, Robot  
So, after yesterday's meme results from the "Your Personality Defect Quiz", which labeled me as a robot, I started thinking about who some of my favorite robots are.

There are few that I've hated, except for Twiki from Buck Rodgers ("Bee-dee-bee-dee-bee-dee") whom I want to kill every time he makes that noise (sorry, Dei!).

But among my favorite Robots, in no particular order,
* Marvin, the Paranoid Android (from the "Hitchhiker's Guide" series). Not fun, but definitely funny. The scene where he outwits the giant attack robot on Frogstar is still one of my favorites.
* WALL-E, who is sweet and kind-hearted and has those big, soulful eyes under all that rust.
* Bender, from "Futurama." He's so badly behaved, and yet so funny. That episode where lightning strikes him and he falls through the roof of The Church Of Robotology, and comes to worship Beelzebot, is the best of them all.
* R2-D2. I really think he's my favorite-- I've loved him since the first Star Wars movie, right down to his little noises (alarmed, snarky, enthusiastic, frightened, lonely, sad) and his little shop-vac shape. :)

This is a different list, of course, from my favorite Cyborgs:
* Data, from "Star Trek: TNG." Funnier than you'd expect, and oddly kind.
* The Holo-Doc from "Star Trek: Voyager." I guess he's more of a cyber-intelligence (an AI) than a Cyborg, but he feels like he belongs here.
* Seven-of-Nine, also from "ST: Voyager." She was added to the show to increase the T&A quotient in hopes of a bigger juvenile male demographic (ork), and yet she became the show's most interesting character. Next to Tuvix. ;)
* Roy Batty from "Bladerunner." His final scene is the most memorable part of that movie. In a simple two-minute stint of dialogue, he goes from being a thug to a poet, and the viewer suddenly understands his fierce need to continue living.
* The Terminator (Ahnold version). Powerful, relentless, and unintentionally funny.
* Robo-Cop. This character had such pathos in the first movie and the opening of the second-- a creation that should have been a machine, but still longed for the family he'd lost when the human he originated from died. I wish they'd built on the promise of that character's potential, instead of going the "Blam! Blam!" route for him.
* The Skynet Queen, from "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." It's probably wrong of me, and I'm sure if she didn't have that lovely accent and those wiles that she wouldn't be on my list, but there it is.
* Cameron, from "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles." The surprise here is that I'm not a big Summer Glau fan, and I don't find her especially pretty. But this cyborg's subtle soulfulness and the really dry humor she unknowingly creates has won me over.

And I'm sure I've forgotten someone really major, so please add your own in the comments below!

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shaitanah: castielshaitanah on December 17th, 2008 06:52 am (UTC)
LOL, I love almost everyone from the list))) The ones I know. Especially WALL-E. I've only watched the movie recently, but it was so awesome!
And the Terminator and Cameron both rock! I rewatched Terminator 2 after I started watching T:SCC, and I can't stop wondering how the two Terminators that have played such a huge part in John's life would get along))))) Probably in some "standard" way, but with Cameron who sometimes seems very human-like, you never know. XDD
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: heh-hehhalfshellvenus on December 17th, 2008 07:56 am (UTC)
Especially WALL-E. I've only watched the movie recently, but it was so awesome!
So sweet, and also very funny-- despite how little dialogue there was. Darn those animators who can make you find a cockroach cute! And I loved the scenes of WALL-E waking up in the morning, and trying to get himself going-- find a new set of feet, see what's in the collection. :D

and I can't stop wondering how the two Terminators that have played such a huge part in John's life would get along)))))
Cameron's job apparently would be to destroy the other Terminator and ask questions later. What's interesting, as always to me witih time-travel questions, is this loop of Cameron being a robot who 'befriends' John Connor as well as protects him, but then again she was sent back from the future by him into his past and so she has already "learned" him in many ways-- learned who he will become. But the way that time loops in that situation... she is also helping to make him be that adult John Connor.
shaitanah: spike_quoteshaitanah on December 17th, 2008 08:02 am (UTC)
OH YES! And the ending was so sweet! I was seriously afraid she wouldn't get him going again. T_T Though that would be too cruel of them. XDD
Well, yes, but suppose they knew they had to work together. That'd be awesome. The first time I'd watched T2 I had been almost as upset as John about him having to be destroyed. He was just too awesome. And Sarah treated him unexpectedly nice))))
I'm also wondering about Alison. Camron is made in the image of her, right? So what, John will meet her in the future and Cameron would already be with him from the past? Or would she disappear somewhere and the history will repeat through Alison getting captured by the machines and replaced by Cameron? Time-travel questions are freaky)))
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: IronManhalfshellvenus on December 17th, 2008 08:06 am (UTC)
So what, John will meet her in the future and Cameron would already be with him from the past? Or would she disappear somewhere and the history will repeat through Alison getting captured by the machines and replaced by Cameron?
Interesting question-- I have to admit, that's an episode where I missed part of the beginning and then the rest of it really didn't make much sense. I hope it comes up in repeats, because the flashbacks were really thought-provoking.

Are you watching The SCC via "Torrent," or regular TV broadcast where you live?
shaitanah: michael/mahoneshaitanah on December 17th, 2008 08:11 am (UTC)
Well, they didn't actually explain why Cameron was experiencing that memory loss. The episode basically started with it, but the reason for it is unknown. But yes, thought-provoking indeed. XD It was a really intriguing episode.
I'm watching it (and every other show I watch) via SurfTheChannel where the episodes are linked from streaming sites like Megavideo.com, f.ex. I think T:SCC season 1 aired on TV here but it was a long time ago. If I wait for it on TV, I'd die from boredom (they haven't even shown Prison Break season 3 f.ex.). Besides, it'd be dubbed and I prefer original language))))
the reluctant lobotomistfourfreedoms on December 17th, 2008 09:13 am (UTC)
I wish SCC made more reference to the impact that The Ah-nold Terminator had on John. I mean, come on now, HE CRIED when he melted himself. Which is more than he did for Todd and Janelle.

DEAR JOHN, I WANT SOME EMOING THAT ISN'T ABOUT YOU MISSING THE PROM PLZ!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: IronManhalfshellvenus on December 17th, 2008 07:36 pm (UTC)
Several people have mentioned this-- clearly I need to rewatch T2! What a chore that'll be. ;) :D

DEAR JOHN, I WANT SOME EMOING THAT ISN'T ABOUT YOU MISSING THE PROM PLZ!

God, seriously-- he cut his hair and so he's less pretty now, but he's still the same emo wimp he was last season (my husband hates him). Grow a pair and show a glimpse of the leader you'll become, for crying out loud!
the reluctant lobotomistfourfreedoms on December 17th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
The John Connor in T2 is really strong for his age also. I think being raised like that hardens you, and when you see your mom put in a mental institution for trying to save the world you prolly aren't like, WORLD, YES, I WISH TO BE A PART OF YOU, but more like ANGRY!

ALSOOO, this John Connor is going to grow in Christian Bale? I BELIEVE IT NOT!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: heh-hehhalfshellvenus on December 17th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
There you go-- how did John Connor go from being a kick-ass twelve-year-old (or whatever he was) to the moody, ineffectual teenager he is now? What, he regressed? He unlearned character?

Christian Bale... I don't actually find him that good-looking, though he's got charm. Looks nothing like this kid, that's for sure.
the reluctant lobotomistfourfreedoms on December 17th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
But Christian Bale is also badass! They were like WE NEED A BADASS DUDE FOR JOHN CONNOR! AHAH. So, looks aside, I have a hard time seeing Thomas Dekker live up to this badassery.
cindytsuki_no_bara on December 17th, 2008 06:17 pm (UTC)
i think summer glau is actually kind of funny-looking, but she makes a really good cyborg. i think i've seen a whopping two episodes of scc s2, so i'm thinking mostly of s1 cameron, but she seemed kind of emotionally complex for a cyborg, which i really like.

oh, roy. :( i need to watch that movie again.

also, i'd add six, from bsg, to the list, because she's very human for a machine. there are a bunch of iterations of her and all of them are a teeny bit different from each other, but she's among the most sympathetic of the cylons and has turned into kind of a firebrand revolutionary as far as other cylons are concerned.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: IronManhalfshellvenus on December 17th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
i think summer glau is actually kind of funny-looking
Me too-- bulging forehead (Bangs! For crying out loud, bangs! Even Christini Ricci finally learned!) and slightly bulging eyes and a really short upper lip. It always surprises me when people go on about how pretty/hot she is.

She's really rockin' the cyborg this season, though-- if you liked her in S1 you'll like the rest of what she's doing in S2. It's the best part of the show right now, at least for me. Fantastic.

also, i'd add six, from bsg, to the list, because she's very human for a machine. there are a bunch of iterations of her and all of them are a teeny bit different from each other, but she's among the most sympathetic of the cylons and has turned into kind of a firebrand revolutionary as far as other cylons are concerned.
Interesting! I don't watch BSG, so I have no opinion on its cylons/cyborgs. I kind of refused on principle after they made Starbuck a woman, given that the only thing that was any good about the original crap show was the slashy UST between Starbuck and Apollo. The rest... ouch!
cindytsuki_no_bara on December 17th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
>>I kind of refused on principle after they made Starbuck a woman, given that the only thing that was any good about the original crap show was the slashy UST between Starbuck and Apollo. <<

making starbuck a woman means they can make the starbuck/apollo ust into actual text.... but it's not a pairing i particularly like - i like them much better as friends - the romantic stuff seemed kind of tacked on - so maybe they should've kept it subtexty. i loooove the new bsg, but i never watched the original.
sadelyrate: thinkingsadelyrate on December 18th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
This was a curious read, especially since I love cyborgs... and you apparently used it with a rather broad definition in mind.

How familiar are you with anime and manga? Because my own favourite cyborgs were born in the franchise of Ghost In The Shell.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: IronManhalfshellvenus on December 18th, 2008 06:51 pm (UTC)
and you apparently used it with a rather broad definition in mind.
It might be a little overly broad-- some of the creatures in the cyborg list are probably more "robot" than anything. The confusion is that all the Terminator 'bots call themselves cyborgs, even though they are pure programming and actually robots.

7 of 9 and RoboCop ARE actually Cyborgs (they do actually have human brains), but the rest are AIs or robots. Since they pose as humans, though, it's sometimes harder to think of them as robots! Poor Data. ;)

I don't read anime or manga at all-- the drawing styles are pretty, but they're still like comic books to me and those have never been 'real' enough to draw me in. So, no familiarity with anyone from that background! I imagine that could get very inventive, though. :D