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05 November 2008 @ 10:01 am
 
What an amazing night! For a lifelong Democrat like me, the outcome of the Presidential election is so often disappointing and frustrating. Last night, not only did America elect a strong, motivated candidate but we also brought the promise of our ideals to bear.

I wish the unleavened happiness had lasted more than the hour between realizing that Obama had won (and listening to his speech!) and discovering that Prop 8 (the anti-gay marriage initiative) had passed. That travesty was the triumph of bigotry over kindness and fairness, and proved that there are far too many people who either do not respect or do not understand the separation of church and state. In my local area, we've had a huge influx of Ukrainian evangelicals who really don't understand that principle— having finally achieved their own religious freedom, they expect the state to bully others according to those religious ideals. The few who do truly understand that distinction? It gives me hope.

The number of "Yes on Prop 8" lies that have flown by in the last few weeks have been sickening— a last-ditch fear-based campaign of "The homos are going to indoctrinate your children," despite the opt-out education laws that are in place for more than just this reason. One man was quoted in the paper as saying, "I didn't want my church to be forced to marry people against its will." Buddy... your church CANNOT be forced to do that— the flip side of separation of church and state guarantees it. You keep your religion out of the state, and the state keeps itself out of your religion. That's the whole idea.

All right, back to the squee. I was disturbed by the anti-Obama booing during McCain's acceptance speech, but moved and impressed by the man himself. He was gracious, firm, and honorable, and that is the John McCain I'd hoped would take the Republican primary from George W. Bush so many years ago. I listened to Obama's speech with teary-eyes, and the recounting of the 106-year-old woman and the changes she's seen really brought home how far we have come as a nation. Moreover, the emphasis on how important it is to think of ourselves as unified in goals rather than separate in backgrounds is something that has been long in coming for this country as a whole.

Lauren stayed up late to watch Obama's speech. I had to explain to her that Jesse Jackson was not just some man crying in the audience, and what this election meant to him in particular as a man who had walked by Martin Luther King's side and was present when Dr. King was killed for the audacity of saying that people of color deserved the same rights as everyone else.

When I was eleven, as she is now, I thought a black president might happen sooner rather than later. I was born in 1963, and the changes that had already happened in my lifetime were so huge that there was no way to know how the pace would hold up. As I got older, it seemed that it might never happen (especially when Colin Powell didn't run for President, as many of us had hoped).

Yesterday, the unexpected happen, and I am so glad to have been here to witness it.

And that the rest of the world cares so much, and is proud of American for the choice we made yesterday, is more moving than I can possibly express.

 
 
 
I'm the girl that you just won't admit you adore.: anti_bushtabularassa on November 5th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
I am still on a high. We witnessed history, It was a beautiful night. ♥
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Obamahalfshellvenus on November 5th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
It truly was-- not just for how far we have come, but because this was a choice for where we want to go.

We chose to take hold of our country's future rather than continuing to sit back and let it just happen to us. :)
(no subject) - tabularassa on November 5th, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Izzie: Obama - Canada for Obamalady_iz on November 5th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
It was a beautiful night that I will never forget. America deserved this. The world needed this. Not even McCain's classless supporters could dampen the historic moment. I'm glad he told them to keep quiet and accepted defeat graciously. What a relief not to have to endure Sarah Failin as the VP.

Canada is proud of your country. You did good!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 5th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
The world needed this.
And how. To have a nation founded on American's ideals elect Bush twice, and let him deficit-fund an unnecessary war until the economy collapses... the rest of the world must have wondered what on earth was wrong with the U.S. and its people.

What a relief not to have to endure Sarah Failin as the VP.
Her nomination was infuriating, but on the other hand... she lost McCain the election, and having chosen her for a position of such importance and risk, he deserved what he got.

I hope we never have to see Biden step into the presidency from the V.P. position, but if we did... heaven knows, he'd be capable and ready.

Thanks for the warm wishes! Love your icon. :D
(no subject) - lady_iz on November 5th, 2008 08:09 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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realpestilencerealpestilence on November 5th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
"...having finally achieved their own religious freedom, they expect the state to bully others according to the religious ideals of a few."


THAT has been true of most religious groups who've come here since the Pilgrims landed! That is also a major reason why I don't go to some kind of church.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 5th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
THAT has been true of most religious groups who've come here since the Pilgrims landed!
Yes, it has, and all the more shame to them for their hypocrisy.

One of the best things about separation of church and state (one our country's most important ideals, I think) is that no one religion-- or lack thereof-- may be wielded to destroy another. People so quickly forget how important that is until they become the minority to a vocal and powerful majority.

One of the most interesting things I once saw was a letter to the editor in a Provo newspaper from a Catholic woman who suddenly very clearly understood what that idea meant, because she found her son learning a 'flavor' of Christianity at public school that was Mormon and not Catholic, and she was furious about it.

Welcome to everyone else's world.
Ice-T: an actor, also a refreshing beveragefiddleyoumust on November 5th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
Is prop 8 definitely passed? CNN still has it undecided since it's so damn close right now. I think there's only 400k votes separating it and they are still counting votes.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 5th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
From what I can see in the internet news at various sites, it's considered to have passed. :(

I've seen several interesting comments at various newspaper sites to the theme of "I'm proud to be an American today, but ashamed to be a Californian."

And here's a great quote from one of those same commenters: We as Californian's should be ashamed of ourselves. We voted to give chickens rights and take the rights of gays away.

*sigh*
wrldpossibility: art lotuswrldpossibility on November 5th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)
My kids stayed up late to watch as well, and we had the same discussion about Jesse Jackson. *smiles*

And I agree wholeheartedly about McCain's concession speech. It was very classy...his supporters listening? Not so much. Shame on them.

And I cannot BELIEVE what happened with Prop 8. I googled it several times last night, but it was still too close to call, so this the first I've heard of the result. Unbelievable. I'm floored. That's quite the blow.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 5th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
My kids stayed up late to watch as well, and we had the same discussion about Jesse Jackson. *smiles*
That was such a powerful moment for me, seeing his face and knowing all that he'd witnessed on the road to Obama's win. We shall overcome.

And I agree wholeheartedly about McCain's concession speech. It was very classy...his supporters listening? Not so much. Shame on them.
I loved him for his speech and how he handled it, and was horrified by some of his supporters-- I can't decide if they were rednecks, overgrown children, or both. :( Bless him for silencing them again and again.

And I cannot BELIEVE what happened with Prop 8. I googled it several times last night, but it was still too close to call, so this the first I've heard of the result. Unbelievable. I'm floored. That's quite the blow.
It was far closer than the Prop 22 initiative years ago (61% vs. 52%), but I am appalled at the number of people who think they should even be afforded the opportunity to limit someone else's civil rights, let alone vote to do so. It's a travesty to me that such a thing can be put to a public vote, and you hope people will have the sense of justice to do the right thing in spite of it.

But they don't. *sigh* The Mormon and Catholic church heavily funded and supported that proposition, and I'm extremely unhappy about it. Did you see Monday's post I made on Prop 8? By comparison, there's a link on there to LDS For Gay Marriage. That website discusses the issues in a way that should be of interest to all American Christians (or all Americans who value the separation of church and state).

It's depressing to have the country leap forward in progress while at the same time the state is taking a step backwards. We'll get there eventually, but in the meantime gay and lesbian people and their families will suffer in the waiting. :(
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The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on November 5th, 2008 11:45 pm (UTC)
It was a beautiful moment. I was so happy that Virginia (one of the few states I've been to) went for Obama.

But it's true that the thing about Prop 8 was extremely disappointing. And not just that, but that several anti-gay propositions went through all over the country. :( And that coming right off the bat of Grey's Anatomy who wrote an (admittedly rather boring) lesbian storyline... dealing with it by firing the actress who plays the "more lesbian" part of the couple out of the blue and basically admitting that it was because somebody at the network was disturbed by the frank same-sexing going on. And that from ABC who are considered the most gay friendly network!

Now, I care neither about Grey's Anatomy or about "Callie and Erica". I have watched exactly one episode and just because I heard Kevin McKidd was going to be on. But stuff like that happening and happening so openly just disturbes me a lot. That was just a really classless way to deal with the character who had just come out. If the pair is unpopular (which they claim was the reason), why not break them up and keep them on as separate storylines? After all they had solo storylines before the show
The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on November 5th, 2008 11:49 pm (UTC)
Argh hit the button too soon
After all they had solo storylines before the show decided to suddenly make them lesbians.

It just depresses me because it smell of yet another case of "A high profile primetime show decides to do a same-sex storyline ... and now uses this as proof that it's not doable and that you can't have high profile gay characters, let alone such with a sex life comparable to their straight collegues". And then of course come all the Props who seem to validate such a stance. :(

[never mind that Prop 8 apparently only lost by a hair]

All very disheartening. However, I remain hopeful for the future and it's gonna be intereting to see what President Obama does in the office. Sigh. No chance that they can make an exception and have Bush vacate the job earlier than usual?
Re: Argh hit the button too soon - halfshellvenus on November 6th, 2008 03:12 am (UTC) (Expand)
brigid_tanner: brothers-not amusedbrigid_tanner on November 6th, 2008 01:24 am (UTC)
Can't believe Prop 8 passed. I'll never understand people who think they have the right to inflict their beliefs on other people. I pretty much expected the similar measure to pass in the other states, but always thought California was much more liberal.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 6th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
I'll never understand people who think they have the right to inflict their beliefs on other people. I pretty much expected the similar measure to pass in the other states, but always thought California was much more liberal.
Parts of California are liberal, and other parts really resent it.

But the bulk of it comes down, in my mind, to the fundamental issue of separation of church and state. The only foundation for DISapproving of same-sex marriages is based on religious beliefs. Ergo, laws that prevent same-sex marriage are allowing religion to interfere with the state, and should be removed.

I'm still boggling over the fact that interracial marriage was once outlawed in California.
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brigid_tanner: Dean-happinessbrigid_tanner on November 6th, 2008 01:38 am (UTC)
Just saw this on a friend's page... http://www.aclu.org/lgbt/relationships/37706prs20081105.html
Seems they missed a step in putting Prop 8 on the ballot before it went through the legislature...it may be invalid ;)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 6th, 2008 03:17 am (UTC)
Thanks for that link! That's the best news I've heard all day.

This quote,
Proposition 8 also improperly attempts to prevent the courts from exercising their essential constitutional role of protecting the equal protection rights of minorities. According to the California Constitution, such radical changes to the organizing principles of state government cannot be made by simple majority vote through the initiative process, but instead must, at a minimum, go through the state legislature first.
was especially encouraging.

I can't for the life of me figure out how amending the state constitution (and what an abomination it is to be trying to amend it in order to enforce discrimination) could ever be approved by a simple majority vote. A supermajority, at minimum, should be required for something so drastic.

It really says something that California voters in general more easily protected the rights of chickens than those of gay and lesbian people.
she said mysteriouslyresounding_echo on November 6th, 2008 02:23 am (UTC)
Sadly, my state amended its constitution to say that marriage is between one woman and one man, even though we had already outlawed it last year or the year before. :sigh:

I was already crying, but when I saw Jesse Jackson with that expression on his face...I just couldn't breathe.

I feel so humbled to have been a part of yesterday.

Forgot to say:

I was disturbed by the anti-Obama booing during McCain's acceptance speech, but moved and impressed by the man himself.

Yes.

Edited at 2008-11-06 02:24 am (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 6th, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
For California, this was also a constitutional amendment. SO disgusting, and in the case of Arizona also totally unnecessary!

I was already crying, but when I saw Jesse Jackson with that expression on his face...I just couldn't breathe.
It triggered an instant flashback of the history of his own path to that moment for me. Just overwhelming, in such a good way.

For McCain, I actually felt bad that the crowd kept intruding on the class act he was putting on. That was unfair to him AND to Obama.
mooyoo: Election - Jack for Obamamooyoo on November 6th, 2008 06:17 am (UTC)
To be hoenst, I just can't think about Prop 8. It's too sad and disappointing, especially in the face of something so amazing and wonderful as Obama's victory.

The thing I keep thinking about, when I do let myself ponder California, is that change takes time. It's been far too long already that this portion of the population has been without rights equal to the rest of the country, but we're a slow moving country when it comes to some things, and despite this setback I just can't believe that we won't get there someday. This country is changing, even if it is slowly and even if we take steps backwards sometimes, and I just really feel that eventually everyone will truly have the rights that they deserve.

That said, we do need to fight for change, and I hope we all continue to do so.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on November 6th, 2008 07:03 am (UTC)
I firmly believe we'll get there, definitely, but we went from gay couples legally marrying to having their marriages invalidated overnight here.

And I guess the thing is that while none of it is explicitly personal for me, it is nothing like an abstract notion to the people whom it directly affects.

Even as I type this, there are ongoing streetcorner demonstrations being shown on the news, with the sanctimonious "Yes on 8" crowd shouting "Majority of the people" at the group of "No on 8" protestors whose rights just got taken away. *sigh*