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03 October 2008 @ 05:38 pm
SPN 4x03, "The Beginning"  
This episode didn't start well for me, but eventually it pulled me in thoroughly. Yay!

The actor they cast as John was a great physical match-- those eyes!-- but WTF was up with that accent? He had that pseudo-Brooklyn rising inflection on the end of his sentences like the Aussies actors use in "Without A Trace," and it's wrong and unnecessary. JDM uses a little bit of a drawl for his character, and the YoungJohn actor's from Florida. It really irked me.

A lot of people liked Dean steering John toward the Impala, but since John was a mechanic son of a family of mechanics (fanon becomes canon?) he should have recognized its value on his own.

I also found YoungMary kind of dippy at first, and the kick-boxing scene in the alley with Dean... not the fighting style I expect a Midwestern anybody to know in that era, especially a girl.

The idea of her being a hunter really bugged me at first. Maybe it was the feeling of being Jossed, or as if Kripke was trying to resurrect Jo once again (the actress looks a lot like her). I don't know. The idea that Sam and Dean would be named after her parents, and no-one would have mentioned that earlier to the boys seemed really 'off' to me.

But then Mitch Pileggi started to win me over, with his hardass "Just Like John Winchester" behavior (oh, the irony). By the time we got to the last part of the episode, I could not contain myself. Oh, Mitch-- finally you get a chance to work it. The YED is a fun, fun part to play. :D

The tonsil-hockey with Mary at the end... yick. That seemed wrong and unnecessary, somehow. Did the demon go that route with the farmboy too? And did the farmboy's deal involve killing his father, because the father beat up the mother? Where would it have gone for the woman the demon was visiting? Or would she have bargained for her husband's life? Seems like the YED might be cutting into the Crossroads Demons' action a little bit.

Now, one of the things I loved about this episode were the ways in which Destiny is Destiny is Destiny. The things you try to prevent will happen all the same-- Mary will be compelled to make her choice for reasons you can't foresee, and once you discover why she makes it... you'd have to let her.

In many ways, this is like the question of Sam turning toward a path of darkness. Dean and Sam both worried about this in Season Two, and the demon took Sam and tried to make him fight to lead the demon army. In the end, Sam was killed, and the demon's plan didn't work. But because Dean brought Sam back from death, and paid his own life over as the price, Dean's own death made Sam turn in despair and frustration toward the powers the demon had given him.

I.e., Sam is heading toward that same dark future, even if he's arriving there sideways.

I do find it strange that Castiel told Dean he was being sent back to prevent something from happening ("You have to stop it"), and in fact already knew that Dean could only witness but not change what happened. It constitutes lying, and that doesn't fit with anything we've heard about angels. Or to summarize... it's careless writing.

I'll spare you the obviousness of Sam running off in a car with Ruby 2.0 for the episode and how that must work in really well with Jared's filming schedule. :( I don't like that, actually-- the boys' primary jobs are working on Supernatural, and they ought to expect to be present for filming all the episodes. I know, I know-- their agents probably work this out with the SPN producers. Nonetheless, it's the principle of the thing!

Back to your regularly scheduled "Dean cries so pretty" and "Mitch had too many clothes on" and "Castiel is hot in an aloof kind of way" discussions. ;)


 
 
 
iontasiontas on October 4th, 2008 01:58 am (UTC)
I think that when Castiel told Dean he had to stop it he meant Dean had to stop Sam from fulfilling Azazel's plan. First he used the past to explain everything to Dean. I don't think that Angel/human communications are very smooth for Castiel. It sounded like it doesn't happen that often. Plus since Dean can be a hard sell, he had to find a quick way to convince Dean of the problem and its origin.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on October 4th, 2008 02:04 am (UTC)
Ooh, I like this idea very much.

Having been at the beginning, Dean now knows Azazel's plan directly (instead of via seers and rumors), and he knows why his mother made the choice she did-- and how Sam and the other 'Special Kids' were affected by it.

I agree with your comment about Castiel and angel/human communications. ;)

One of the things I like about him is that while he's aloof and cool and sincere, he's also kind of socially clueless. That probably amuses me more than it should. :D
(Anonymous) on October 4th, 2008 02:29 am (UTC)
Hi, not true on the Friday the 13th filming. Mitch Pileggi did an interview with ugo.com and he said that Jared was vacationing in Hawaii. I'm inclined to believe that Sam was never intended to travel back with Dean.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on October 4th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Vacation! There's no vacation during filming!

:D Actually, Jared has a LOT of movies going, apparently, so I was thinking he might be servicing several of them this year. Regardless, the boys signed up for the show, and I want to see them both together, doing stuff. (other than at war with each other, that is)

I may have to check out the Mitch interview. It was SO much fun watching him sink his teeth into that YED role. ;)
cindy: spn - dean greeneyestsuki_no_bara on October 4th, 2008 04:46 am (UTC)
mitch pileggi will probably always be skinner to me. it was fun watching him play a hunter and then the yed, tho. his existence on a show never fails to cheer me up.

i actually really liked that mary was a hunter, altho i also wasn't surprised. but she did look distractingly like jo, didn't she. well, all the brunette actresses look alike, so why not all the blonde ones too....

and in retrospect i agree with iontas about castiel's "you must stop it" - he means dean has to stop sam's slide into darkness. but he had to show dean how the whole mess started.

Edited at 2008-10-04 04:47 am (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on October 4th, 2008 06:02 am (UTC)
his existence on a show never fails to cheer me up.
It's funny, he was on something else this week-- was it "Fringe"? I just saw him. Though he was more like Skinner there, and didn't get the chance to be all cracktastic like the YED role. ;)

he means dean has to stop sam's slide into darkness. but he had to show dean how the whole mess started.
That makes more sense to me now, though heaven forbid Castiel should be less cryptic and misleading. ;)
dannywinterlive on October 4th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC)
Castiel told Dean he was being sent back to prevent something from happening ("You have to stop it"), and in fact already knew that Dean could only witness but not change what happened.

he was sent back to get the background on the present-tense thing he had to stop, to wit: sam going darkside.
dannywinterlive on October 4th, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
...which you already knew b/c of, like, everybody. *hands*

john being a mechanic b/c fandom said so... i don't know if that happened, but if it did, it might be the one recorded instance EVER of me actually LIKING it when that happened. :)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Johnhalfshellvenus on October 4th, 2008 06:05 am (UTC)
i don't know if that happened, but if it did, it might be the one recorded instance EVER of me actually LIKING it when that happened. :)
He's definitely been that in fanon, though I don't know how far canon went with it. I believe (from John's diary? Not from a show script) that John had a mechanic's shop in Lawrence before he packed up the boys and left. But for all I know that's from fanfic and not from a WB/CW source.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on October 4th, 2008 06:03 am (UTC)
I do find it interesting that he was so vague on exactly the "it" and the "when" at the point where he sent Dean back-- perfectly happy to let Dean think it was in reference to the more immediate thing instead of something Dean would have to decode by inference.
happy is as happy does: Dean smiling - SPNhappywriter06 on October 7th, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)
but WTF was up with that accent?
Again, I didn't notice the accent. I need to pay attention to these things.

but since John was a mechanic son of a family of mechanics (fanon becomes canon?) he should have recognized its value on his own.
I thought John did recognize the value of the Impala at least somewhat. I swear he said something to that effect. I'll just have to watch again.

resurrect Jo once again (the actress looks a lot like her)
So it wasn't just me that noticed that? Which? Ew since they tried Jo/Dean so Dean/Mary. Totally not crazy since Mary/Demon!Daddy. *shudder*

But then Mitch Pileggi started to win me over
I will watch anything that man is in. Oh, man!

In many ways, this is like the question of Sam turning toward a path of darkness.
I hadn't even thought about linking it back to Dean bringing Sam back Sam's still going in that same direction.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on October 7th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
So it wasn't just me that noticed that? Which? Ew since they tried Jo/Dean so Dean/Mary.
I know-- the Jo/Dean thing becomes ickier with that as a background. And the Mary/Demon!Daddy (with tongue)-- yech!

I will watch anything that man is in. Oh, man!
He's totally in that brain vs. hormones category, where the brain says "We don't find bald beefcake guys attractive" and the hormones are screaming "La-la-la, we can't hear you over the sounds of Mitch is a hotass!" He's also on "Brothers And Sisters" this season (I now remember which the other show was)-- he's the lawyer brother's newly revealed boss.

I hadn't even thought about linking it back to Dean bringing Sam back Sam's still going in that same direction.
THIS part kind of fascinates me-- that even though the first path toward darkness was thwarted (by Sam himself, even), it's still happening via a secondary path. The whole destiny-is-destiny thing intrigues me. It's like the time-paradox: do you change the past, or does everything you do just force the same things to happen all over again?

It came up in one of the 'Tuesday Next' novels. The time-travelling father wants his daughter to really warn the mother off of the mauve-colored paint for the bedroom. As it happens, the daughter mentioning it plants the idea in the mother's head, and the mother of course winds up painting the walls that exact color. ;)
happy is as happy does: Polaroid of J. Winchester - Supernaturalhappywriter06 on October 10th, 2008 12:16 am (UTC)
He's totally in that brain vs. hormones category, where the brain says "We don't find bald beefcake guys attractive" and the hormones are screaming "La-la-la, we can't hear you over the sounds of Mitch is a hotass!"
I know. He's on "Sons of Anarchy", too playing a racist so weird for me. lol

It's like the time-paradox: do you change the past, or does everything you do just force the same things to happen all over again?
Time travel totally makes my head hurt and it's like every show I'm watching now is dealing with it. In any event, it does intrigue me as well.