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16 May 2008 @ 12:13 pm
Happy Birthday, aeroport_art!  
The best of birthday wishes to Li (aeroport_art), and hopes that your special day and the coming year are glorious Maybe even with a great job in the future!

If I can drabble up something for you to make it better, please let me know! *hugs and confetti*

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Yesterday's bike to work adventure... was exactly that, an adventure. The distance was manageable (including the extra mile or so of getting lost in a couple of spots), but the rest? Just too dangerous and too much of a hassle. Oddly enough, it's my side of the freeway that's the bigger hassle. I must have had 30+ stops in the 7 miles to the overcrossing (every stoplight, every 4-way stop), which takes forever. I went back on a different street, which had fewer lights traded for more 4-way stops. And danger-wise, there were the spots of road with insufficient (or no) shoulder, people overtaking me and then turning in front of me (!), and kids coming head-on because they were biking on the wrong side of the road. :( :( :( Don't think I'll be trying that again. *is disappointed*

Last night's Supernatural finale:

I don't know what I think about that episode. There was less emotional intensity than I expected (unless that was due to my husband gabbing away through it)- Dean's avoidal of "socially awkward moments" was humorous phrasing, but it also robbed the episode of some of its drama.

The singing in the car about drove me nuts (the first episode where that happened was bad enough), as did Dean being bull-headed and hand-tying both Bobby and Sam. The lack of a real "goodbye" was frustrating, especially because we got cliffhangered on the ending (Sam's half of it as well as Dean's).

I loved that Ruby called Dean out for being a dick (which he had coming), HalfshellHusband loved the "Car 54 Where Are You?" shoutout, and I fangirled Bobby to the heavens for the holy-water sprinkler-system solution \o/.

The opening sequence was fantastic-- very vivid. Dean being able to spot demon aspects (and hell-hounds now) was a great development. Ruby's host getting hijacked was a great twist too.

But the ending... what really happened there? Seems like Dean's body is gone for now, or is it? Is Dean trapped inside there (in which case, Barb really IS Kripke)? Or is he (more likely) in Purgatory or Hell now? The visual effects of the place he wound up were very striking, but(maybe wonderfully) non-specific, and that's what makes the outcome vague.

People have always batted around the idea that Hell is an individual experience, i.e., geared to the fears or sins of the person in question. For Dean, who cannot stand to be without his family, being trapped alone in that huge, echoing space for all eternity and having to be aware of every single lonely, desperate, endless minute of it... that does seem like a form of his own Hell, doesn't it?

I have a certain confidence that Dean will eventually be rescued and restored to his own body (because the show relies upon the two actors and their chemistry), but no idea how that'll happen. I hope it isn't because he DOES become a demon, and that Sam then spends his lifetime chasing Dean.

*sigh* I don't know. Don't spoil me with any rumors, but feel free to jump in. What did you think, and what does that ending mean?

 
 
 
Destinadestina on May 16th, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
The lack of a real "goodbye" was frustrating

*blink* I thought their goodbye was fantastic. The way they looked at each other just...wow. Not only did they say I love you to each other without ever uttering a word, it's what Dean chose to say - "Keep fighting. Take care of my wheels. Remember what Dad taught you. Remember what I taught you." -- that just blew me away. But I know, it's a definite mileage-may-vary thing.

My pet theory at the moment is that because Lilith tried to kill Sam before Dean was dead, she invalidated the contract, which may have landed Dean in a higher level of hell or something, temporarily. But we'll see. I can't wait. *g*

Edited at 2008-05-16 07:56 pm (UTC)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Hughalfshellvenus on May 16th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
But I know, it's a definite mileage-may-vary thing.
I think I was frustrated by it because there was no physical contact during that scene (I would NEVER want to let go of one of my sibs without a touch), because Sam didn't have his full half of it, and because the actual "end" was delayed after that - so there was a gap.

I just... I wanted more. LOTS more. Emo!porn quantities of more that included Dean hearing Sam's goodbye instead of the sudden credits at the end.

I know, it's very individual. I've seen other people's posts here and there, and some of the things I liked about that ending (strategically, at least) are exactly what others hated.

My pet theory at the moment is that because Lilith tried to kill Sam before Dean was dead, she invalidated the contract, which may have landed Dean in a higher level of hell or something, temporarily. But we'll see. I can't wait. *g*
I have massive love for this theory! It not only gets Dean out of his deal, but also shows us the would-have-been. It's like having our cake and eating it too. :)

(Edited for wrong fandom hug-icon! Oy.)


Edited at 2008-05-16 08:42 pm (UTC)
Tam 'O Bedlam: angsty puppyangstpuppy on May 16th, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC)
I think, and let me tell you this I'm definitely in the minority in my household, that Dean isn't in Hell. I think he's trapped inside his own head.
Kripke said in an interview (can't remember which one, that he didn't have the budget for Hell, at least not the way he wanted to portray it. And the going in through the eye (and what a pretty eye /shallow), and the flashes and web like chains, reminded me very much of..neurons? synapses? firing.
I am very intrigued about Lilith backing down from Sam and basically running. Also, where the hell was Bobby at the end there?
Guh, just...guh...
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Hughalfshellvenus on May 16th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
that Dean isn't in Hell. I think he's trapped inside his own head.
That possibility has occurred to me- for all the reasons you mention (the choice of going in through the eye, the synaptic parallels). Have you ever read eighth_horizon's And Fools Shine On? It works along those lines (and is a fantastic read. Gen.)

I am very intrigued about Lilith backing down from Sam and basically running.
Me too-- I'm SO looking forward to what that all means.

Also, where the hell was Bobby at the end there?
:( Stuck outside guarding the demons on the other side of his lethal sprinklers. The poor man doesn't even know. :(
eponin10 on May 16th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
I have a certain confidence that Dean will eventually be rescued and restored to his own body

... I worried about this (the body thing), before remembering that even while it was only a few days, Sam's body was just as dead, with just as deadly a wound in it. Though it had less wounds than Dean's does now. And the CD still brought Sam back healed. No idea how they'd do it now, but still... the dead body issue may not be such a hindrance.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 16th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
Sam's body was just as dead, with just as deadly a wound in it. Though it had less wounds than Dean's does now.

You're making me feel better all the time - I'd forgotten Sam's wound, which was definitely mortal at the time.

the dead body issue may not be such a hindrance.
I cannot tell you how many recent conversations I've had with my husband about
"So why didn't the little girl die? Don't they all die?" "No." "Why not?"

in regard to who lives and who doesn't after a demon vacates their body. Seems to be that if the body isn't too damaged and the demon hasn't been in there too long, the person survives. Otherwise, though... I mean, the guy they buried just last week didn't look mortally wounded (though we don't really know-- Meg was up and walking around after being thrown out a window), but perhaps the demon had been in there too long.
eponin10 on May 16th, 2008 11:10 pm (UTC)
You never know what was lying under the demon!guy's clothes, either. Ruby always looked fine, but we all know Bobby shot her point-blank in the chest.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 16th, 2008 11:37 pm (UTC)
Ruby always looked fine, but we all know Bobby shot her point-blank in the chest.
That's true-- plus there might have been some neck-snapping in that encounter with the demon who (used to?) own her.

The demon seems to hold its host body together so long as it's inside, so I supposed unless heads or major limbs are flying off they'll stick with that body and make it work.
aeroport_art: candyaeroport_art on May 17th, 2008 01:34 am (UTC)
Dean being bull-headed and hand-tying both Bobby and Sam
Indeed, that was very annoying.

Dean being able to spot demon aspects (and hell-hounds now) was a great development.
It was totally a neat little detail :D

THANK YOU KAREN for the shout-out, you're always so sweet about birthdays. It's very, very much appreciated. *climbs into your lap* And ooooh I get a drabble? Be careful what you say, because I am totally cashing in on that! You know me though, I'm predictable. Let's say... Sam/Dean, pre-series. Because you're so good at this stuff *__*

xoxooxo
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam/Dean kisshalfshellvenus on May 17th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
It's very, very much appreciated.
:D I had this semi-panicked vision of everyone being all "SPN-SPN-blah-blah-blah" and totally forgetting it, so I wanted to make sure I got my greetings in!

Hope it was a good one (and that you're still celebrating even now)!

Meanwhile, I'm scheming away on drabble ideas. Will ping you when it's done. ♥
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam/Dean kisshalfshellvenus on May 18th, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
Your drabble, it is ready!

Hope you like, and many happy returns! ♥
fiery_fox2fiery_fox2 on May 18th, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
Personally, I wouldn't mind Dean becoming a demon, and yes, I know I'm twisted. LOL
I actually have a fic all done in which he does become one, and then at the end Sam wakes up and realizes that it's all been a fever-dream (I wrote it before the S3 finale). Still...
I had thought from the moment I saw the last scene that Dean was in a Hell of his mind. I don't think that he's really dead. My friend thought it might be a "weird-ass coma" (her words). But the hellhounds did tear him to pieces, so...
Anyway, I HATE KRIPKE!!! for making us wait until September...*sobs*....he's too good to totally hate though...*grins*...