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28 March 2008 @ 12:15 pm
 
*sigh* So, yesterday Prison Break decided to commit canon suicide, which was great news for Michael/Sara shippers and awful news for everyone else. I'm not going to knee-jerk over it, but I know where this is going to lead for me eventually, and I'm saddened. Prison Break was my first writing fandom, and it's never been the same after Season One. For those of you who are thrilled, I'm genuinely happy for you (I can see the level of excitement in your posts just from the snippets above the cut). I know last year was hard for you, and this probably seems a godsend.

For me, as with even short-term blips (like the unkillable T-Bag, or T&A all over SPN), I'm once again struck by how much I'd prefer my shows to figure out what story they want to tell and fundamentally stick to it. For me, Prison Break was the story of Lincoln and Michael, and the mystery of what could have led Michael to do something so audacious (and succeed!). It wasn't about whiplash-inducing plot twists or improbable romances or even necessarily prison (eyes Season 3's mass-coincidence lockup). It was about family, the strength of family even when that family is dysfunctional and its members so imperfect. That's the story that grabbed me.

Fortunately, I'm still watching it on Supernatural, with a slightly different flavor. But I've been feeling its loss on Prison Break since the end of Season One. :(

*

I may post thinkiness later about writing styles and sentence structure. Reading books out loud (for the kids' bedtimes) really highlights certain areas of awkwardness. I'm reading a story right now that I loved at around age 11, which is a landmine of narrative challenges that I didn't even notice at the time. But now? Hoo boy.

So, is EVERYBODY at Eyecon or whatever right now? *is so very, very envious*

 
 
 
Daea Nereem: PB smartypantsnereem on March 28th, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
Your fanfiction (along with mooyoo's) were probably the first PB fanfic that I read and are ones that I return to regularly. I didnt think much of Season 2AT ALL and I didnt really ship Michael and Sarah, I just thought it was a cliched run of the mill, turn to a typical romance notion for such a programme. I really liked Season 3, even for its silliness occasionally, but it had be hooked lol.

I am pleased for people who loved Sarah, because there were many heartbroken fans, but... this just seems such a sily thing for the creators/producers to do, I mean, it WAS HER HEAD..... how could Lincoln not know that and LJ said he SAW it (right??)

I'm jealous of eyecon too :) Lets be jealous together- nooo wait, thats too negative, lets be positive and look forward to the postings about it! :)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 28th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
Your fanfiction (along with mooyoo's) were probably the first PB fanfic that I read and are ones that I return to regularly.
This is wonderful to hear, and I thank you for telling me. It's a comfort at a time like this. Mooyoo would be so pleased, if you haven't told her too!

I didnt think much of Season 2AT ALL and I didnt really ship Michael and Sarah
Season Two killed my muse for the longest time. There was no emotional element to the show for me, just flailing around chasing one dumb plot point after another (the Conspiracy aspect of the plot was always a weak point, and that became the focus of S2, along with money-chasing). Season 3 was interesting again, though SO silly and campy. It inspired some good crackfic, I'll say that.

I mean, it WAS HER HEAD..... how could Lincoln not know that and LJ said he SAW it
LJ heard it, and what-- they replaced Sara with some OTHER random woman at the end and killed her instead? There is no rhyme or reason behind that. Or they kidnapped the wrong person (I can't see The Company doing that) and meanwhile Sara's been off 'trying to get a feel for things' by herself while Michael's maybe going to die in prison? There's no way to explain that whole thing that makes any sense. It's just impossibly dumb and painful, from a canon standpoint. I hate it when writers spin out crap-- regardless of who's telling them to do it, I still hate it.

lets be positive and look forward to the postings about it! :)
I'm going to be missing Wincon this year too, so I have no positive thoughts! Just lots of wishing I could be there and see everybody. :(
happy is as happy does: Brothers hug (3x13) - Prison Breakhappywriter06 on March 28th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
I'm one of those happy ones yet I completely agree with what you said in the second paragraph. I'm going to post later some more thoughts on this whole thing. Basically, if the M/S stuff is not good for the show in season four, I'm won't be happy because that's not why I started watching and the lack of it didn't stop me from watching. M/S is the icing not the cake for me. The cake - family - is writers need to remember that. I think a fans feel that way no matter what their ship is.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 28th, 2008 08:11 pm (UTC)
Basically, if the M/S stuff is not good for the show in season four, I'm won't be happy because that's not why I started watching and the lack of it didn't stop me from watching. M/S is the icing not the cake for me. The cake - family - is writers need to remember that. I think a fans feel that way no matter what their ship is.

Well, SOME of the fans definitely don't-- they're just rabid M/S shippers and to hell with the rest of it. It's all about the 'prettiiness' for them. But that's not the people we see on LJ-- it's the teenagers at various fansites and such. I think most deep fans of the show tuned in for a different reason, and the M/S became the icing for them as well. And even if it had to end (which the writers arbitrarily decided after inflating it to the high heavens in S2), it didn't have to end that way. Some people would have let go of their icing if Sara had decided, for instance, back in S2 that she couldn't live the way things were going to map out for the two of them. But the show really handled that badly. *is still all 'Argh' over that*
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Ariss Tenohariss_tenoh on March 28th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
May I ask what happened? I didn't catch up on PB since season.1, though I heard of Sara and the box thing.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 28th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
The Sara and the box thing happened in S3, and in S4 the producers have decided that "Wait, she's not dead after all!" because the original move pissed off a lot of fans and lost viewers.

Which they really should have seen coming when they made the decision to kill her off in the first place (which was a dumb, dumb decision). You make a drastic choice like that, and you have to live with it. No matter how stupid you later come to think that choice was.

I don't expect this show to save the world or anything, but there IS such a thing as minimal artistic integrity. *sighs*
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shaitanah: michael/mahone2shaitanah on March 28th, 2008 07:54 pm (UTC)
O_O What happened? I still haven't seen this damn S3...
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 28th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)
There a very spoilery tidbit at
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/03/27/sarah-wayne-callies-back-from-the-dead/

Basically, they killed the character off abruptly and definitively in S3 in a way that really hacked off a lot of fans, and now they're bringing her back from the dead (because they now regret that original choice).

It's just... SO beyond lame. It says that the people who created the show don't even care whether it makes sense, or what story they originally wanted to tell. Now they're just pandering to a subset of the fans (after unnecessarily really pissing them off last season). *sigh*

*is trying not to be overly spoilery*
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mercurybard on March 28th, 2008 08:52 pm (UTC)
*sighs*

I guess this is one of those places where art and business meet and art takes two between the eyes.

On the one hand, for me, this is exciting because such a blatantly impossible resurrection means I can do all sorts of wacky things and not get called out.

On the other hand, it sucks that the story has wandered so far from the original premise.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 28th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
On the one hand, for me, this is exciting because such a blatantly impossible resurrection means I can do all sorts of wacky things and not get called out.

Ha! I look at it the opposite way: if something is too cracked-out and stupid for me to even consider doing in fanfic (you know, brothercest aside), I definitely think the show should be above that.

I don't do it because it's called "bad writing" or "bad characterization" (depending). And I damn well don't think people who are PAID to write the stuff should do it. Though when the producers have a gun to your head and a mandate that "You VILL write this crap, or lose your job" then that really IS a rock and a hard place. For a good writer, it then becomes about minimizing the damage from the craptastic turn of events.

But as a fanfic writer, I don't have to cope with that situation.
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Izzie: Sucre - Contemplating the Proposallady_iz on March 28th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
I'm so indifferent about the latest developments on PB. Will I watch the new season? I doubt it. They should rename the show Prison Break My Heart...
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 06:22 am (UTC)
They should rename the show Prison Break My Heart...

God, no kidding. Fantastic and compelling in Season One, and "What the hell IS this?" in every season afterward. :(
wrldpossibilitywrldpossibility on March 28th, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
Well, it's of course no secret that I feel very strongly about the M/S relationship, and am happy about this news, but that said, I of course can see the point you're making here. While I'm a M/S fan, I am primarily a fan of the art of fiction, whether that's TV, novels, etc. I went into it in more detail on happywriter06's journal, but for me, if I felt bringing Sara back was compromising PB--hurting the core dynamics of the show--I would not be for it, despite the appeal her character has for me personally. However, for many reasons, I felt S3 suffered, and think she can only help S4.

Plus, had I thought that killing her off was the best creative move for the storyline of the show, I would have dried my eyes and applauded their daring, but I didn't. I still think it was a mistake for the show, which is why I don't have any problem with this turn of events now. If I had felt her "death" was a wise move, then I'd be very frustrated now, and so I can understand the feelings of those in that camp. It was a buiness decision then, just as it debatedly is now, because that's the nature of television storytelling. And it's extremely frustrating (which is why I love fanfic so much!).

It's my belief that the writers left it open all along, and I sincerely hope they are now being able to write the story they wanted to all along, whatever that may be in S4. If that's the case, we're in for a great season with the whole ensemble, not just for M/S lovers. That's what I hope for, anyway. Don't know how much chance there is of that happening, though!

Just my 2 cents.

The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 08:11 am (UTC)
If I had felt her "death" was a wise move, then I'd be very frustrated now, and so I can understand the feelings of those in that camp.

Ah well, the thing is that most of us who are not M/S fans (some even anti-M/S folks) didn't think killing her off WAS a good idea-- and I think the folks who write slash, oddly enough, were the most vocal about feeling that the manner of her death was really hostile (as were the deaths of other women in the show).

I really hated the M/S subplot, but I liked Sara herself. And to kill her character off to "bring Michael motivation" sounded weak when the show's producers trotted it out last year, and it REALLY sounds bad now that they've decided that they regret it.

I'm frustrated because I don't think there's any way they can handle her character's return with integrity, but moreover they're backpedalling over a situation that they created for themselves and should have avoided to begin with. They amped up the M/S relationship in S2, which excited a bunch of M/S fans, and then killed her off abruptly in S3 (which angered those same fans, especially since the show had gotten them all worked up and invested in the M/S in S2), and now they're... surprised that the M/S fans were angry about that and many quit watching the show?

I think they should have had better sense than to kill her in S3 the way they did, and I'm even less forgiving of wanting to bring her back (which I can't stop thinking of as pure crack) because they deliberately created the problem they're now regretting.

I can see why M/S lovers might be optimistic about the larger story arc. I really don't think this is the story they intended to tell all along, though. I think they meant for her to be dead forever, and it didn't work out the way they'd hoped (nor, for that matter, did any of S3 thanks to the Writers' Strike!).

But to be honest, I'm afraid at this point that I'm not convinced they knew what story they wanted to tell after S1 ended. It's seemed like a lot of random flailing around since then to me. :(
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dragontattdragontatt on March 28th, 2008 10:12 pm (UTC)
I posted a link to the article on USA Today yesterday, and even though I didn't really say as much, I think this is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.....the powers-that-be just pulled it out of their ass for no apparent reason. If they had planned it all along that would be one thing, but not this.....ick.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 08:13 am (UTC)
the powers-that-be just pulled it out of their ass for no apparent reason. If they had planned it all along that would be one thing, but not this.....ick.

Exactly-- it's the "Oh, we made a really harsh decision in S3, and even though we should have foreseen the backlash we didn't, and now that we get it we're trying to push the Reset button."

Gah!
Pheebs1pheebs1 on March 28th, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC)
I would love thinky ness!!

Why did the actress leave, was it to have her baby or cause she'd had enough? Turn around on her part AND the shows I guess. I ... I used to LOVE Prison Break , not in a fannish way, but in a show way and I enjoyed S2 but this last series I did kinda lose interest..but partly I was travelling and not really *properly* watching. I don't know what to make of this turnabout. Won't make me watch or not watch I guess...
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
Why did the actress leave, was it to have her baby or cause she'd had enough?

The show decided to kill off her character (and reduce her contracted-for episodes), and given that she had a new baby she decided she wasn't up for participating in that. Fault all around, I think.

Won't make me watch or not watch I guess...
Probably will keep me from watching. Given that you missed S3, you may have already "tuned out" as it is.
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smilesoftnsweetsmilesoftnsweet on March 28th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean. PB just hasn't been the same to me since Season 1. I know shows change but the core of the show shouldn't. And I'm not here to stomp on M/S fans or fans in general who are happy or might be happy about what's to come, but it doesn't make sense to me.

As for Supernatural *zips lips* LOL
...but, I'm hanging in there and at this point clutching to every Sam and Dean interaction I can.

The brotherhood and the family dynamics is what drew me in to BOTH shows. *shrugs* I guess I'm just hoping the writers can and will keep that one element intact over everything else.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 06:45 pm (UTC)
I know shows change but the core of the show shouldn't.
That's my thought too-- the basic core of the show is why you attracted viewers, and it's the "flavor" of your show underneath all the style and flash that you need to keep. The core is the underlying story the show is telling, long-term. PB has definitely lost track of what theirs was. :(

The brotherhood and the family dynamics is what drew me in to BOTH shows. *shrugs* I guess I'm just hoping the writers can and will keep that one element intact over everything else.
It was utterly gone in S2 of PB, and minimally there in S3, and now the brothers are splitting up while Michael goes on his vendetta which *Zzzzzzz* doesn't interest me to begin with.

I'm hoping SPN keeps its core, especially with the head of the network always pushing it to become something else (T&A with a Monster-of-the-Week, from what I can see). *crosses fingers*
Rosie: Familyrosie_spleen on March 29th, 2008 12:46 am (UTC)
Hey there across the seas.

Your posts show a degree of decorum and ably express the double-edge of the knife many people feel. I'm sorry that season 4 will be canon-suicide, but your non-knee jerk reaction is very appreciated.

I also hear you about the lure of Season 1, and I'm wondering if Season 3 allowed you to recapture your interest in the story of Michael and Lincoln, because from what I saw, the relationship was severely pressurized and may not have been developed fully.

Thanks for this post. I read it with interest.

love

Ms. (cant seem to shut her) Mouth
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 06:52 pm (UTC)
and I'm wondering if Season 3 allowed you to recapture your interest in the story of Michael and Lincoln, because from what I saw, the relationship was severely pressurized and may not have been developed fully.
I recaptured the muse for it in Season 3, but the show really didn't at all-- you should read that crack piece, "SONA, Arma, Muerto, Loco" to see how the Michael & Lincoln dynamic came off (especially early in S3). ;)

But the plot flailed around less than in S2 (less of the running around, more cooperation between the brothers, and even the minor implication near the end that Lincoln might not be a total dumbass) and that made it easier to get a 'handle' on the show for me. I think S4 is going to kill that off for me though. Heaven knows, S2 practically killed my ability to write PB at all beyond about last March or so. It was virtually dead for a long time. :(

Ms. (cant seem to shut her) Mouth
Hee! It makes me wonder why that came up as the most frequent word in your LJ. What is this obsession with mouths? (is it all-porn-all-the-time?) For mine, "Other" makes it seems as if I'm writing about multiple-choice-tests or aliens all the time. ;)
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Deadbeat Nymph: squirmdeadbeat_nymph on March 29th, 2008 01:47 am (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes, yes to everything you said in your post and in the comments.

I just- Just- I think they've finally turned me off the show completely. I'll probably still watch because I'm set in m ways. I've come this far and I want to see how it ends, but I anticipate revulsion and ire if I can summon that level of caring. =/
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 29th, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC)
I've come this far and I want to see how it ends, but I anticipate revulsion and ire if I can summon that level of caring. =/

I'm not sure I can bring myself to stick with it-- write while we can, that's my motto!

But being disgusted with one of my favorite shows for its lack of consistency or any semblance of caring about its characters and their continuity? That is not good. :(
Genevieve: batshit crazy by staceyukmsgenevieve on March 30th, 2008 01:03 am (UTC)
We're polar opposites on this news (as I knew we would be, lol!) but I just wanted to say that while I'm a Michael/Sara fangirl, I have also been very much disappointed in the lack of connection between the brothers in S2 and S3. I'm greedy, you see. I want it all. I want the 'against all odds' brotherly devotion and saving LJ *and* my favourite brother finding happiness with his doctor.

I'm also posting because I found this picture at www.icashascheezburger.com and immediately thought of you. *g*

Humorous Pictures
see more crazy cat pics
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on March 30th, 2008 07:49 am (UTC)
I have also been very much disappointed in the lack of connection between the brothers in S2 and S3.
It's been a little frustrating, and part of what I feel I'm missing (still) is the substantiation of why Michael went to such lengths to save Lincoln in the first place. It hasn't been well-enough established in their past, or in an obvious closeness of their relationship. Honestly, something like that (which was life-threatening to Michael) needs to be more than just a MacGuffin.

That picture--- HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not only does the hedgehog look absolutely pathetic (with its useless little legs just dangling there), but the caption is perfection! Thanks so much for sharing that! ♥
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