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21 February 2008 @ 10:47 pm
SPN 3x12 reaction  
My squee is still standing on the sidelines a little bit today, in part because who the heck was that in the Henriksen suit?

The previous times we saw Henriksen, he was smart, thorough, and his manner was very deliberate. Within the first few sentences out of his mouth tonight, he was speaking twice as fast and in dialect, and where did all of that come from? It doesn't even seem like the same character! :(

And at the high level, though I loved the comic moments and such, I feel like I'm lucky to have survived the incredible onslaught of anvils marked "Dean and Henriksen are practically the same person!" and "Dean is now the show's moral compass" and "Ooh, Sam is eviller now" and all the other things fans have been talking about for months. It's bad enough that they're anvils, but for lots of us this isn't new information.

Also, the virgin secretary with the rosary AND the Virgin Mary figurine on the desk (because all of that's really common in her age group nowadays) was practically the Giantest Plot Widget Ever next to Evohl-Bela-Stole-The-Colt-And-Sicced-Henriksen-On-The-Boys. Ow, ow, ow!

Plus, I was offended that her virginity was made some big freaking public deal out of, like she was an albino unicorn never seen before, like the idea of being a virgin at her age was the dumbest idea ever to hit this century.

Not to mention Dean's asstastic reaction to it, which it seems to me impugns his character unnecessarily. I realize that sex is the be-all end-all for Dean, but that doesn't mean he assumes that's true for everyone else. His knee-jerk reaction was very much Dean, but the way he kept going on about it means he didn't re-think it. And oddly enough, Dean does re-think a lot of the time. He doesn't personally want to advertise that to you (or Sammy), but he does it.

So having thought about this some more since last night, I have a few things to add and I might as well bulletize. You know you'd do it too!

The Good
* The fact that we got to see Henriksen again.
* Henriksen's future cover story for the boys (which he probably didn't get to make official, though).
* Holy-water swirly (gross, but points for creativity!)

The Bad
* Henriksen likely being dead. :( Yes, I said "likely." *is in denial still*
* WTF with the spelling of Henriksen? Why the ultra-Norwegian version? See => this <= icon? My point exactly. Bwah-ha-ha!
* Bela. Again. She's the all-purpose plot-device for the season.
* Bela's calling Henriksen down on the boys was beyond her usual amorality-- it was malicious.
* Katie Cassidy's acting in this episode.
* Virgin!Nancy suddenly decides that her remaining a virgin was silly, and she's going to sleep with half the town now. And she says it out loud. WTF? What's next, a rosary-burning?
* The red-hair/black-eyes combo is creepy, creepy I tell you, and it's bad enough that there are real people who look like this! *Is weirded out by Alice Krige and Will Patton for this reason*

The "Meh" and the "Huh?"
* The boys' tattoos. It's pragmatic and probably overdue, but I personally dislike tattoos a lot, and putting those big ugly symbols on those beautiful bodies... ugh. :(
* Dean, it IS possible to take wider steps in that particular set of chains. Just sayin'.
* Given the quantity of toilet-holy-water and how it seems to burn the demons, why did Henriksen's demon hang on so long and why wasn't the Handsome seared off the man? Not that I actually wanted that last part to happen...





 
 
 
mooyoo: Dean/Sam - Orangemooyoo on February 22nd, 2008 07:25 am (UTC)
*whispers* It's Hendrickson

I think I was so thrilled to see him reappear that I didn't pay much attention to the beginning of the episode, but I can't really remember anything really noteworthy and out of place with him. I do remember him speaking very rapidly like that in his other appearances. I find it strange that he would leave Sam and Dean sitting alone without any kind of guard watching them, seeing as they've escaped from him twice before, but other than that I really enjoyed seeing Hendrickson again.

Plus, I was offended that her virginity was made some big freaking public deal out of, like she was an albino unicorn never seen before, like the idea of being a virgin at her age was the dumbest idea ever to hit this century.

Oh man, yes. And that everyone had to forever thereafter refer to her as "the/a virgin". Amazingly enough, not everyone has sex at the same time, and not everyone places the same value on it. Though that wouldn't be my choice of lifestyle, I find it kind of really insulting and offensive that it's seen as such a crazy or abnormal one. And Dean's reaction, I'm kind of torn on - on the one hand, he really does place such a value on sex and it is obviously a big part of his identity - I doubt he held onto his virginity for long - so I can definitely see him gaping at someone who makes the opposite decision as if they're some sideshow exhibit. But at the same time, although he's thoughtless when it comes to women and obviously doesn't always treat them with the utmost respect, we've never seen him be outright cruel to someone in that way, particularly a young woman who he normally acts more protectively over. Perhaps he didn't realize how nasty a reaction that was (again, thoughtless), but it was a pretty strong reaction to something that's a very personal decision, and it was pretty unbecoming.

"Dean is now the show's moral compass" and "Ooh, Sam is eviller now" and all the other things fans have been talking about for months.

Yeah, I found it an interesting switch from these exact same situations we've seen them in before in which they've acted the opposite of in this one, but it was kind of an odd switch to see, and, like most of the other themes this season, I feel like we've seen it before eighty-five times, and yet in each episode they don't really go anywhere with it.

I think for me I've been so down on this season and the show in general lately (almost skipped it this week because I'm just so blah about it right now) that I tend to be so much more nitpicky with everything, so there were lots of things I groaned about in this episode - the clunky anvils of "Sam's morality is becoming more questionable" being a big one for me as well tonight - but overall I liked this one so much more than probably every other episode this season.
Destinadestina on February 22nd, 2008 07:33 am (UTC)
*whispers* It's Hendrickson

According to the now-canon spelling in tonight's ep, it's actually Henriksen. *g*
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:44 am (UTC)
Oh RIGHT, the Norwegian spelling as opposed to the run-of-the-mill spelling a person would expect. *rolls eyes at the show*

*flees to re-edit for the bazillionth time* ;)
mooyoo: Dean/Sam - Lovemooyoo on February 22nd, 2008 07:45 am (UTC)
Oh thank god, all the different spellings have been driving me nuts. I didn't even notice that. I think I looked it up on IMDB and it was listed as Hendrickson, so that's how I've been spelling it :p
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:50 am (UTC)
Yes-- like a NORMAL person. Not like someone who has idolized Henrik Ibsen from der kredl. ;)

I should go to bed, I'm getting evil. ;)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:34 am (UTC)
*whispers* It's Hendrickson
I beat you to it. God, I wish I didn't suck at stuff like that! It's very frustrating sometimes. :0

Amazingly enough, not everyone has sex at the same time, and not everyone places the same value on it. Though that wouldn't be my choice of lifestyle, I find it kind of really insulting and offensive that it's seen as such a crazy or abnormal one.
I'm in the odd position of thinking people have sex too young and too freely, and since I'm an agnostic I have no religious basis for that opinion. But that character absolutely did, and she also had a very innocent heart. Virginity seemed very much the right decision for her, as it is for many other people for various reasons.

Perhaps he didn't realize how nasty a reaction that was (again, thoughtless), but it was a pretty strong reaction to something that's a very personal decision, and it was pretty unbecoming.
Given that he's Dean, the initial blurting out of his reaction is what I'd expect. It's the way he belabors it afterward without reconsidering that does NOT seem so much like Dean to me.

but overall I liked this one so much more than probably every other episode this season.
Oh, man-- this was a middling episode to me, while last week's was over the moon! But there have been a LOT of episodes this season (the whole early part of S3) that didn't feel like my characters or my show in the least. They felt like demographic-aimed manipulations of something that used to be the show I loved. *angsts*

*Is personally hoping that Hendrickson is secretly not actually dead, though that's probably futile*
mooyoo: Dean/Sam - Heartsmooyoo on February 22nd, 2008 08:05 am (UTC)
I'm in the odd position of thinking people have sex too young and too freely

Again, I think it is a very personal decision and teenagers having sex doesn't bother me too much (though when I see so many very young mothers around and see how little seriousness is given to sex by many younger people, I get pretty squeamish). Not to get into TMI territory, but - as someone who waited until I was older to have sex, it bugs me when such weight is placed on losing one's virginity by a certain age, as if age is the definitive cutoff point for when it's appropriate to have sex. One person can be more emotionally prepared at sixteen than another can be at twenty, and I hate that there's this standard in our culture that to be over a certain age and still a virgin is somehow bad or embarassing. Sex doesn't always have to be grand bells and whistles, hearts and flowers; I think it can be casual and fun and something done simply for the pleasure of it. But that doesn't mean that there's something wrong or abnormal with anyone who chooses not to do it, and not to take it so casually. /tangent

Given that he's Dean, the initial blurting out of his reaction is what I'd expect. It's the way he belabors it afterward without reconsidering that does NOT seem so much like Dean to me.

Yes, exactly.

Oh, man-- this was a middling episode to me, while last week's was over the moon! But there have been a LOT of episodes this season (the whole early part of S3) that didn't feel like my characters or my show in the least. They felt like demographic-aimed manipulations of something that used to be the show I loved. *angsts*

Oh man, I've complained so damn much about this season so I won't get into it now (expcept to say that I totally agree about much of the season and all of the beginning of the season). But, I have to admit, while I liked last week's episode I didn't love it the way that everyone else seemed to. Maybe because I watched it a few days later after everyone had talked it up so much and I was a bit disappointed, maybe just because I've been so unhappy with this season that I find things to nitpick in every episode. But this one, despite things I didn't like (*cough*RUBY*cough*), just worked so much better for me all around - loved the return of Henricksen, liked the battle and how they fought and won, liked the extra characters, and all around I just really liked how it went, so much more than the rest of this season - or maybe that's it, that everything else this season has been so bad that this one was just great by comparisson.

*Is personally hoping that Hendrickson is secretly not actually dead, though that's probably futile*

Oh god, me too (and, it seems, pretty much everyone on my flist). I'm trying not to get my hopes up, because I was sure that we would get to see John again after he died and we've never really gotten him again aside from that bit in the S2 finale - but that's just what I was thinking at the end of the episode, that it's Supernatural! There's gotta be a way to bring him back!!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Not to get into TMI territory, but - as someone who waited until I was older to have sex, it bugs me when such weight is placed on losing one's virginity by a certain age, as if age is the definitive cutoff point for when it's appropriate to have sex.
Well, I waited until I was a little older too, partly because of the fear of being "used," and then there's the difference in our generations. Mine was very much during the period when a girl/woman would get a bad reputation for sleeping around, AND combined with the societal attitude that women's sexual pleasure was supposed to happen as a side-effect of traditional intercourse or it was her own problem... not a lot of motivation to sleep around, you know?

There's gotta be a way to bring him back!!
Plus, it was television news. What do they know? *clings to denial with both hands*
Entendre? Make mine a double.: SN Sam yeahdeirdre_c on February 22nd, 2008 05:30 pm (UTC)
My biggest problem about the way they handled the 'virgin' thing was that after having Nancy defend it as "a choice" later on they gave her the laugh line something like "if we get out of this I'm having SO much sex." Whatever. :|

However, in general, I enjoyed the episode for the action!Winchesters and the sneaky!Sam pickpocket and the smartplanwithblueprints!Dean and the painintheass!Ruby and boys with tattoos. But I don't think it was near as good as last week; Mystery Spot was a DAMN hard act to follow.
mooyoo: SN - J2mooyoo on February 22nd, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
"if we get out of this I'm having SO much sex."

Yeah. While that line and the "...but not with you" followup was funny, it irked me just as much as Dean's reacted to her and everyone constantly referring to her as "the virgin". I'm choosing to take it, though, as "I'm having so much sex so that next time we face down a valley of demons I won't having the option of being used to kill them all because I'm a virgin!" rather than "I'm having so much sex because man, what was I thinking with that remaining a virgin thing? I need to have sex now!" Which might be a stretch, I know, but it makes that line bother me a little bit less.

Mystery Spot was a DAMN hard act to follow.

See, I think that's why I liked this one so much - I didn't get to watch Mystery Spot until several days later, and by then I'd read everyone's squee-filled reactions and I think it was just talked up too much for me, so while I liked it, I wasn't head over heels for it the way everyone else was. But this one, I went into with no expectations (especially since I've disliked so much of this season so my expectations are pretty low in general at this point), and I didn't love last week, and this one to me was much better.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
they gave her the laugh line something like "if we get out of this I'm having SO much sex."
Yes-- that was even worse. As in, "See? She was just being a silly little girl after all. But she's learned now." Bleh. :(

smartplanwithblueprints!Dean
I will never not love smart!Dean, especially when it's strategic smarts. :D
LindaMlinda3m on February 22nd, 2008 07:27 am (UTC)
I've always believed Dean is the show's moral compass. In much the same way Hawkeye was the moral compass on M*A*S*H. Both men respond to being stuck in an inhumanly brutal situation with sex and excess, until their skills are called upon to save lives. Then they'll risk everything to do the right thing.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:38 am (UTC)
I think many of the fans already thought that about Dean, especially because he is VERY clear on the question of what they do and why they do it.

It was getting anvilled with this same opinion by the show (like it was a sudden revelation) that struck me as odd.

I see some people are peeved at Dean for pulling Sam back down from the "Kill the virgin!" path, but that's why he's Dean. Deliberately killing someone good, even to save so many others, IS NOT DEAN. Killing himself? Oh, yes, he'd do that. He's already signed up for it. But that is a wholly different issue than when it's another person, even if they say they're willing.
LindaMlinda3m on February 22nd, 2008 07:44 am (UTC)
Dean says a lot of things, some of them stupid and insensitive. But his actions are fairly consistent. He couldn't kill Nancy or allow her to be killed. War causalities are one thing, murder is something different. Besides, after Scarecrow, Dean knows being sacrificed is no fun.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Diner Deanhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:49 am (UTC)
Dean says a lot of things, some of them stupid and insensitive.
Oh he does-- often at first blurt. But as we've seen from his woobieDeantm discussions with Sam, he also thinks more about things than one might expect. It's just not the first thing that'll come flying out of his mouth.

War causalities are one thing, murder is something different.
Yes-- SELF-sacrifice for the greater good is one thing, but sacrificing someone else cannot be any kind of good in his book. And I totally understand that.

Besides, after Scarecrow, Dean knows being sacrificed is no fun.
Hahahaha! Oops. *is inappropriate* But it's funny because it's true! /Homer-Simpson voice
Destinadestina on February 22nd, 2008 07:35 am (UTC)
I kind of loved it, and I didn't see anything annoying about Henriksen in this ep, except for, you know, how he died, which irks me greatly. Understatement. I'm sorry you didn't have more squee about it, but I've seen a lot of underwhelmed posts about it tonight.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 07:42 am (UTC)
and I didn't see anything annoying about Henriksen in this ep
He didn't match the voice I have in my head of him from the prior episodes, and (not to sound cynical) it was almost as if someone told him to be "more black and less of a Fed." My memory of him is that he was a major Fed before (in the way Feds are, which includes not rushing into anything), and one of the things I loved about his character was that he'd found the boys (in Nightshifter) because he did his homework and he followed the barely-seen paths and he was good. Being chased by someone skilled who had no idea that they were the "good guys" was a great setup in my book.

except for, you know, how he died, which irks me greatly
La-la-la-la-la-la.... *is in denial*
mooyoo: Dean/Sam - Great Escape notemooyoo on February 22nd, 2008 08:08 am (UTC)
Being chased by someone skilled who had no idea that they were the "good guys" was a great setup in my book.

Which is why I always really loved him and had been hoping for a while that they'd bring him back. And why now that I've gotten over my excitement at him reappearing, I'm getting pretty mad that they killed him off. He was such a great character and had so much potential after learning the truth about things. Grrr....
cindy: spn - serious!intense!sam (by ilelibertetsuki_no_bara on February 22nd, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
i didn't notice anything off about hendrickson (henricksen? hendricksen? they all look wrong to me now), but man was i bummed that he got killed. he would've made a great hunter, and he and dean kinda bonded. (i also didn't catch the hendrickson/dean parallels, which i'm usually pretty sensitive to. well, i'm sensitive to "dean and soandso are really very much alike!" stuff. just not last night. huh.) nancy's rosary was a little excessive, yeah, and it was clearly a plot device (altho i like what they did with it), and y'know, to dean her virginity probably WAS a big freakin' deal. he's not the world's most sensitive guy and i don't think it would have occurred to him that pretty twenty-something girls in this day and age might not have had sex. and no, he didn't have to make SUCH a big deal out of it, but it didn't strike me as off or ooc (or even especially asstastic) that he had that reaction.

the ptb have been beating us with the evil!sam anvils since at least the middle of last season, so i don't even notice it any more. i expect any episode in which he has to deal with a big moral issue or anything even remotely related to him being the once and future boy king of hell is going to open the door for some nice blatant "look! sam is getting darker and harder! do you think he might be... going darkside? huh? do you?" plus i was mentally mapping this episode to mystery spot, in which he did become kind of amoral in his monofocus, or at least he rewrote his personal book of ethics and morality. (and now that i've mentioned it i can use my new serious!intense!sammy icon. :D )

but bela, good lord, she was SUCH a plot device, not just last night but in dream a little dream too. jeesh, people, give it a rest. let us miss her, and we can't do that if she won't go away.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on February 22nd, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
is going to open the door for some nice blatant "look! sam is getting darker and harder! do you think he might be... going darkside? huh? do you?"
Hahaha! Your description made it all worthwhile, even though I wish the show would stop treating viewers like we're stoopid.

let us miss her, and we can't do that if she won't go away.
She's been a plot device since the get-go, and every time they bring her back it's only yet more evident.

I'm more of the opinion of "Show? You didn't write this part well. It's clunky. So DON'T KEEP DOING IT!" It's easier to forgive questionable writing when it doesn't keep coming back to re-announce itself week after week. :(