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05 January 2006 @ 11:34 pm
Supernatural100 "Minor Characters" Challenge: And So He Waits  
Author: HalfshellVenus
Category: John Winchester (Genfic)
Rating: G
Disclaimer: Not mine. Wish they were.

Author's Notes: Written for the supernatural100 "Minor Characters" Challenge.

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Leaving wasn’t the best idea John ever had, but it’s what he finally settled on. Four years was too damn many. He wanted Sam back home.

He was why Sam left the first time, so he couldn’t bring him back. But Dean was different. Sam would listen if Dean went to him alone.

John knows his baby’s grown-- and angry-- but he misses him. He worries. And Dean’s weary, empty eyes just finally broke his heart.

So he waits. He checks his sources. The boys are reunited again, putting the pieces together.

And when the time comes, he will know.

 
 
 
The Grammarian about whom your mother warned you.acostilow on January 6th, 2006 07:57 am (UTC)
John Winchester has always struck me as a complete and unmitigable bastard.

While this drabble hasn't exactly changed my opinion, I think you captured what he might have been thinking when he disappeared.

All in all, it's quite lovely. Very well written, and very thought-evoking.

*looks at what she wrote* I reeeallly shouldn't comment on stuff at two in the morning. :) I get all psychological and philosophical.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on January 6th, 2006 08:23 am (UTC)
Thank you!

I was surprised to find myself writing about John, because I don't think much of him either. When I checked this week's challenge, he was the character that grabbed ahold of me.

John Winchester has always struck me as a complete and unmitigable bastard.

And he may very well be. But, as this fic shows, he believes in why he does these things (and sadly, thinks they're reasonable). I could totally see him leaving as a ploy to manipulate Sam into coming back.

Although... hey, I'm happy for Dean at least :-) And John can stay gone, for all I care.
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Blonde on the inside: sn john not yetstormcloude on January 6th, 2006 08:06 am (UTC)
Oooooh, I like that.
The Good, The Bad and The Lana: happy sarathelana on January 6th, 2006 09:22 am (UTC)
I like this a lot. In fics he seems such an easy tool to introduce a total child raping badboy, by a lot of good authors who can make a compelling case for it. Which is why the image just sticks in your mind after a while. I think it's good to get insights like this one, especially since I'm betting that the canon/on show version will be much more demure than the nightmarish things we fans imagine.

He was why Sam left the first time, so he couldn’t bring him back. But Dean was different. Sam would listen if Dean went to him alone.

Awww, so spot on :D

The boys are reunited again, putting the pieces together.

And when the time comes, he will know.


And because of my slasher mind? That part totally sounds like John playing matchmaker!Sue. Like "It's only a matter of time now till they fuck, then I'll know and then I can come back because then Sam will never leave Dean again" ;D

Also? Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee, clex_monkie89 wrote me John Doe fic. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on January 6th, 2006 04:52 pm (UTC)
And because of my slasher mind? That part totally sounds like John playing matchmaker!Sue. Like "It's only a matter of time now till they fuck, then I'll know and then I can come back because then Sam will never leave Dean again" ;D

Heavens! Sexy, but... not what I had in mind. (Hey, if you want that take, visit deannaz's universe starting with Things My Brother Taught Me. Because John eventually returns in that series, and it gets... interesting. :-D

Must read John Doe fic!

I am secretly working on.... wait for it... a Warden Pope fic.

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belleimani on January 8th, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
Nicely done. I like this insight into John's head. I've a feeling John is a lot more messed up then he even knows.
And knows a lot more about what's stalking his children then he's letting on.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on January 8th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)
I've a feeling John is a lot more messed up then he even knows.

Amen to that. Makes you really feel for Sam and Dean.

And knows a lot more about what's stalking his children then he's letting on.

Exactly. *shiver*
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veradeath on January 9th, 2006 05:18 am (UTC)
*is firmly in the 'John's a bastard' camp*
This fic makes me think and I'm lovin' all the neat conversations going on. I defintely think that John is up to something and has lost his hold on reality. Or is dead and can't let go. Whichever.

Cause with that amount of rampant, corrosive obsession, you aren't healthy. In my mind, John's screwed over his sons and has dishonored Mary's memory by raising them to be like this. Yeah, they're helping people, but their mental/emotional health? Has got to have suffered.

And this passive-aggressive 'I'll text them coordinates and then not contact them again and thus frustrating the hell out of them' shiz that's he is doing is not the sign of a father who is worried about his family.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on January 9th, 2006 05:39 am (UTC)
*is firmly in the 'John's a bastard' camp*

I'm not fully in the camp, but I'm holed up in a cabin in the next forest over :-) And I also definitely think he is up to something. I think his leaving was a manipulative ploy, and that he's let his boys get into danger either to reveal something or to flush something out. And considering how close they've come to death at times... that does not please me at all. No parent does that to their children-- or even the smallest part of the godawful life he's led them through :-(

And this passive-aggressive 'I'll text them coordinates and then not contact them again and thus frustrating the hell out of them' shiz that's he is doing is not the sign of a father who is worried about his family.

It's jackass behavior, in a nutshell. And to let them go back into that house alone where his wife was destroyed, even after Dean called him on the phone all weepy and lost, is the mark of pure, selfish evil.

Whew. Taking a moment for my sanity to return.
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mooyoomooyoo on January 14th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
I like this characterization of him a lot. I've read several not so nice fics about him that don't ring very true to me because (from the very very little we've seen of him) he seems like not necessarily a bad guy or even a neglectful parent really, but more like someone who's horribly misguided and a bit obsessed, which comes at the cost of his kids. Seems pretty unforgivable to not be there for your kids when they need you, but he does seem to care a lot about them and it strikes me not as something he's done out of any malicious intent, but more of an "ends justify the means" kind of thing. (Although at this point any explination is really possible. But I like this one)

And Dean’s weary, empty eyes just finally broke his heart.

Make me wonder, not for the first time, what it was like for the two of them after Sam left.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on January 14th, 2006 08:35 pm (UTC)
more like someone who's horribly misguided and a bit obsessed

That's my feeling. He is so hell-bent on vengeance (20+ years of it) that he doesn't see the price he's continuing to pay for it. Or namely, that his children are paying (and always will, now that he raised them the way he did).

Make me wonder, not for the first time, what it was like for the two of them after Sam left.

For Dean's POV on that topic, try this one: Lost. Clearly, I have an opinion on that topic :-)
tyrical: SPN_Modernsecret_SD_sittingtyrical on February 10th, 2006 06:11 pm (UTC)
John Winchester is a complicated man. With vengeance on his mind and a mission.

In a way its unfortunate that he had children. It was his wife that made him a better father. When he lost her he seemed to lose the ability to know when tenderness was needed and a firm hand was warranted.

This does show another possibility of how he thinks about his children. Which makes it unclear as to whether he was just a bad father or just a man lost and doing what he can when and the best way he knew how.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Gen: icon by Tinamishihalfshellvenus on February 10th, 2006 06:51 pm (UTC)
It was his wife that made him a better father. When he lost her he seemed to lose the ability to know when tenderness was needed and a firm hand was warranted.
I tend to think more that he might have been a fine father before, but that losing his wife (in such an unspeakable way) crippled him. He focused on his anger and the need for vengeance over his hurt-- and his children's hurt. And, like many parents before him, he cannot find the balance between making his children strong enough to stand up to the world and defeating them before they begin. My mother's growing-up era, the 1920's, was FULL of admonishments not to love your children too much or you'd spoil them-- and they'd never make it on their own. *Sigh*

Which makes it unclear as to whether he was just a bad father or just a man lost and doing what he can when and the best way he knew how.
And the possibility... that he is both. That he tries to do the best he can, but in the end it's still the wrong choice and it still damages his children. Even if he never, ever meant that to happen.

He's a thought-provoking character, if you let Devil's Advocate run loose enough on his actions and motivations. So much possibility.
michelle2007michelle2007 on October 22nd, 2006 04:36 am (UTC)
John knows his baby’s grown-- and angry-- but he misses him. He worries. And Dean’s weary, empty eyes just finally broke his heart.

This line is beautiful, but it makes me really sad. The show hides it most of the time with the banter between the brothers and all the great one liners, but Dean and Sam's life is really tragic and heartbreaking. As much as Sam wants it, it seems like there is no real future for the two of them.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Johnhalfshellvenus on October 24th, 2006 05:16 am (UTC)
How did you find this one? It was written ages ago (my first "John" POV, though there have been lots of them in the last 5 months).

The show hides it most of the time with the banter between the brothers and all the great one liners, but Dean and Sam's life is really tragic and heartbreaking.
It really IS tragic. The day-to-day parts are filled with monotony, the otherworldly, danger and devastation. Not all of the pain is theirs, but they witness it over and over. Most of the time when they help, it's too late.

Oddly, that is one of the things I find most compelling about this show. That is a terrible life, when you look at it objectively. And it's death and darkness, with these hints of devotion and humor that just barely distract us from the pain. And yet... we can't look away from the characters or their tableau of loyalty, ferocity, and unwilling mutual destruction. It's tragedy but it isn't melodrama. And god, what a difference that makes.

So nice to have someone read this all this time later! :)