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26 October 2007 @ 02:30 pm
SPN 3x04-- A little yay and a lot of WTF?  

So while there was fun to be had this week-- and lots of funny last week-- I'm still having mixed feelings about Season 3 so far...

1) I believe I've seem more T&A in these four episodes-- and I mean pushup-bra flaunted, too-- than in almost the whole of S1 or S2. And I don't like this trend. Female viewers watch the show too (maybe mostly female viewers), and I am so heartily sick of the male-demographic pandering that creeps into nearly every show I watch in this regard. Tell your story! If it's interesting, people will tune in! And the fact that "Two and a Half Men" makes it into the Nielsen Top 25 means that people are dumb and beyond comprehension at times, so stick with making a good show.

2) Are we going to see Bobby and Ruby in EVERY freaking episode? I like Bobby-- in fact, I love Bobby, but what's up with that? It's like Roadhouse 2.0 all over again. I'm really okay with the show being mostly Sam and Dean and the Adventure-Of-The-Week, especially if it's both of them and not mostly one character. The brother dynamic is the biggest part of the show to me, and at a minimum, I want that part to be satisfying, expecially most of the time. Not assy/isolated/absent week after week.

3) *Sigh* Continuity...

So I loved the funny of last week (poor Sam), and a lot of this week's episode. And yet I carp, because I must...

A) Demon dust: this is canon now? Why? What part of a being that roars around in a black cloud from point-to-point when not running a stolen body causes sulfur to be left behind? That makes no sense.

B) Devil's trap in the demon lair: how exactly did THAT get there by the time Dean followed the bartender back there? It's not like she'd put it on the floor herself, or like Dean knew where to go and beat her to getting there so he could draw it.

C) Demon in priest's body: first, telegraphed way too soon in the storyline. And second, who's been handling the holy water in the church for the last few weeks? And then there's the crucifix, not that the Kripke-verse has it affecting demons the way it traditionally has vampires, but still...

D) So all the other Hunters except Winchesters/Bobby/Gordon are total dumbasses or woefully inexperienced? And Gordon's disturbed, so he's halfway there? Gee, last season other hunters were a revelation! Now it turns out that Dean even knew one for quite awhile... but the guy was lame. Huh.

E) Dean doesn't have the exorcism rites memorized by now? Because why? Must the show make him appear that stupid?

I'd also like to NOT be reminded every single week that Dean is a pig when it comes to women. Maybe take a break from that for a few episodes, please? And show me some mutual devotion to Sam that involves something other than leaving him off somewhere by himself? Jared's movie aside, it's starting to affect the tone of the show.

Squee: put-upon Bobby (oh Jim Beaver, your non-verbal humor cracks me up), mortified-Sam, AND the fact that we get to see one of those times onscreen where the boys' assumptions prove terribly and embarrassingly wrong (they work with implied evidence half the time, after all). :D

Other than that, most of my squee was for the humor in last week's episode (the lost shoe! The self-combusting air-conditioner!).

CW and the people who run you... WTF are you doing to my show? :(

formerly keeping the cheez: SPN - Sam [sad puppy]strippedpink on October 26th, 2007 09:59 pm (UTC)
I agree with this 110%. Seriously. Particularly point 1 and 3e and Dean being a creepy sleazebag and the LACK OF SAM&DEANNESS.

plutogirl10 on October 26th, 2007 10:19 pm (UTC)
I was definitely a little 'meh' with this season, especially the season opener -- it was kind of a let down. 3.02 was better and 3.03 was hilarious so that went a long way towards getting me excited again. i actaully liked 3.04 quite a lot; most of that comes from the introduction of theological conflict, which I love thinking about.

I dunno. I was watching some eps from S1 before, and realised those are still my favourite. I would hate for this to be one of those shows where it loses a little more of it's magic in each ensuing season, you know?
Ah yes, quite a bunch of us, isn't it?unhobbityhobbit on October 26th, 2007 10:20 pm (UTC)
3B) I thought Dean tapped into whathisname's GPS on his phone and tracked it to his body, which was at the demon lair, buried the body and drew the devil's trap and set everything up. Yet, for some reason he didn't bother to get the exorcism down completely, because hey, what's the easiest way of contriving your plot? Bring in stupid!Dean!
brigid_tanner: Bobby-omnipitentbrigid_tanner on October 26th, 2007 11:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Dean did say he tracked whathisname's GPS...but if he could track the GPS when the guy was underground, why couldn't he get a phone signal when he was underground? Do I not understand how GPS stuff works?

And please don't tell me that Dean doesn't have that exorcism memorized! That was my biggest gripe in this episode.
Ah yes, quite a bunch of us, isn't it?unhobbityhobbit on October 26th, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)
Perhaps whatshisname's phone had been cursed at some point in the past and been given some kind of sentience and when it saw that its owner was dead it boosted its signal so that he could at least have a decent burial. (Me? Struggling for an explanation? Never!) Unless, being under lots of rock and stone and soil doesn't affect satellite transmissiony things (oh, I'm so up to date on all the technical jargon) like it does phone reception. Which I doubt, truth be told.

And please don't tell me that Dean doesn't have that exorcism memorized! That was my biggest gripe in this episode.

Yes! Mine too! They're well aware of all the demon exorcising they need to be doing, and Dean's not thought once in all those long two months (or even longer) that perhaps not reading from a book would be a good idea? I mean, once you've taken on seven demons at once, you might think that, maybe, you've got better things to be doing than spending time flipping through The Little Book of Exorcisms. I was lead to believe that John taught them better than that!
Deadbeat Nymph: dean lip curldeadbeat_nymph on October 26th, 2007 11:03 pm (UTC)
*whispers* Um, are you getting the feeling that they're maybe, perhaps, possibly going the way of PB? In the sense of giving the brothers each his own storyline instead of creating a storyline that focusses on the two of them?

*bites nails* *prays to TV gods*

And yes re. all that you said. Especially regarding the pandering to the male demographic. That's definitely the big problem this season; it's why we've got Demon Barbie and the other new woman (although I don't mind her as much, I don't think). They really do undervalue female audiences, all the networks. It's an enormous problem in contemporary culture all around. :(
mooyoo: SN - WinchesterAlonemooyoo on October 27th, 2007 03:46 am (UTC)
*whispers* Um, are you getting the feeling that they're maybe, perhaps, possibly going the way of PB?

Funny you should say that, because I was actually thinking this morning of looking up some SPN spoilers (which I usually avoid like the plague), and then realized that the last time I sought out spoilers for a show I really love was when I started getting fed up with Prison Break.

It's only four episodes into the season, but still, it's four episodes and I don't see too much improvement from each week to the next.

...I'm such a downer.
Rachel_sin_attract on October 27th, 2007 02:58 am (UTC)
Um...yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble staying positive all the time with the fact that out of 4 episodes, I have only MADLY loved ONE.

I get this bad feeling that we're either going to have Katie or Lauren in every episode...I would much rather have Samantha Ferris or Alona back on the show since I'd rather have them work on established characters that start over with new ones. Katie can't act and her huffy attitude is starting to annoy.

Oh! But in answer to your B statement...Dean said that he tracked the GPS of his friend's cell phone to her lair, where he then drew the devil's trap before going to meet up with her and come back with her. So, that's pretty legit.

Wow, OK, this got long...

SAM AN' DEAN AGAINST THE WORLD...this is what the show should forever be! :P
mooyoo: Dean/Sam - &mooyoo on October 27th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
I feel like every week I get more and more grumbly about this show, to the point that today I was considering taking a break from it. That's a bit overdramatic, and it's not that bad, but I'm just not excited about it anymore - I feel like it's really lost something this season, and where it used to be really special and fun and interesting, now it's run of the mill, hackneyed, and full of plotholes.

I agree with so much of what you said. I now cringe every time a female character appears on the show - either she's a beautiful single mom or a "tough" "sexy" "seductive" "spunky" bad-ass chick, and neither type is portrayed very well. They do have female writers on this show, right? Because every woman seems to be written as if by a man who thinks that the only characteristics for a strong woman are sassy, sexy, and can fire a gun. Yes, Dean's a horndog, yes, I get it, we know, we got it, okay, show. You don't need to demonstrate that fact for us in every other scene of every episode. Dean has lots of other qualities (that I hope the writers haven't forgotten about) aside from horniness, and just because Dean likes staring at sexy women in skimpy clothing doesn't mean that the entire audience does as well.

I'd be fine with more Bobby (I like him a lot too) if it felt like he was adding something to the show. It might even help alleviate some of the pressure of filming for Jared and Jensen to focus a bit on some of the other hunters like Bobby, and I'd be okay with taking a small break here and there to see some other hunters. But the way they're using him is starting to feel like Supernatural with training wheels. Don't know what's behind these strange things? Ask Bobby! Can't find something to fix this problem? Call Bobby! And now with the addition of Ruby - Bobby can't figure out how to fix something? Bring in Ruby! What happened to the boys roaming around the country? Now they're close enough to Bobby's place that he's able to join in on every episode.

The way that they just completely skirted past how she fixed the gun is indicative of one of the major problems for me this season - everything has just become far too easy and the boys are doing far less hunting and far more talking and angsting (and granted, I love the angsting, but it feels like it's replaced the action and urban legends and investigation that were so prevalent in the first two seasons). Now instead of taking the time to look into things, interview people, do their own research, tail suspects, etc, there is Demon Dust left at every scene and Bobby (and Ruby) waiting in the wings to give handy exposition about every new demon they meet (yet another qualm I have - will they never come across a ghost again? Is the world now so full of demons that that's all the boys will hunt until this silly war is over? There are still so many urban legends left to explore, I'm kind of sad that they seem to have abandoned that premise in favor of a Buffy-like universe of demons and only demons)

So all the other Hunters except Winchesters/Bobby/Gordon are total dumbasses or woefully inexperienced?

Heh, someone at TWOP brought that up and I'm choosing to go with his/her fanwank that all the good hunters except the Winchesters, Bobby, and Ellen (where the hell is Ellen?) were killed in the Roadhouse fire. (I'm continuing to ignore the fact that there was only the barest of mentions of any other hunter in Season 1, and now the boys are tripping over them in every episode)

Jared's movie aside, it's starting to affect the tone of the show.

Seriously. Very, very much so. I get that it's a tough schedule and they seem to be trying to take some of the pressure off by separating the boys, and I don't even mind it every once in a while, but after four episodes of the boys barely sharing a scene it's beginning to seriously undermine the premise of the show.
Skywalker-Winchester: papa  carmendoveanakin415 on October 27th, 2007 04:18 am (UTC)
the net work should be salted and burned starting with Dawn then marketing
Anthrogeeke (Brynnydd): BTVS Mr. Pointyanthrogeeke on October 27th, 2007 04:46 am (UTC)
Thank you exactly! I miss my Dean. The one that yes, can be a pig but isn't always and idiot.

Dean doesn't have the exorcism rites memorized by now? Because why? Must the show make him appear that stupid?

So with you there. I mean, we spent 2 seasons building up Dean as the John's perfect hunter. Dean isn't stupid and he takes hunting seriously. There is no way...no way in heaven or hell that Dean wouldn't have an exorcism memorized.
she said mysteriously: Dude!resounding_echo on October 27th, 2007 08:44 am (UTC)
I've been rewatching a lot of season one lately (:hold it to chest and sighs:) and man but I love the sheer sparseness of characters in it! I love Bobby and I'm on board with Ruby, but manalive why are they like bffs all the sudden? I mean, in the first season the only other hunter's were John's old contacts, and really I liked that. I got used to the Roadhouse, I accepted Jo, but I really hate how expanded the community feels. I mean, there can be a community as long as the boys are still outside of it, so to speak. I loved that isolation, that cowboy quality--leave on a good note and take nothing with you.

Seriously, that line about ass and nickels? Really actually truly disgusted me. I don't know why they are doing this.
Jas Masson: broken deanjasmasson on October 27th, 2007 09:08 am (UTC)
Well... now I don't have to post ;-)

I really agree. It's not that I've NOT been enjoying this season, but only in a low key kind of way. I'm liking the show, but it's not MY show... not the one I fell in love with. It makes me really sad, because it seems my favourite show has been cancelled, but nobody bothered to tell it.
ruby_jellyruby_jelly on October 27th, 2007 12:27 pm (UTC)
still lovin' it!
It's been interesting to read through your post, and all the subsequent comments, as I've battled for couple days, and just now managed to conquer the download demon, and watch the episode. I was determined not reading anything slightly spoilerish.

Demon dust: this is canon now? There was demon dust at Ava's house, so it has appeared before.

C) Demon in priest's body: first, telegraphed way too soon in the storyline. Yep! Oops, but now I'm thinking it made it suspenseful bec. Sam didn't know, and what did the guy want from Sam? Thinking she-demon in basements stated willingness to follow Sam...oo! and they turned out to be life-time (umm?) partners. so was he looking to lift him up as leader, or kill him? Must say, Ruby is sending out neon signs about her determination to be Sam's 2IC!!!

Devil's trap in the demon lair I felt downright nervous as Dean apparently innocently followed her into weird basement. Explanation seemed ok, and loved the suddenness of the effect of her being trapped. It was kinda like, did I see that?

Honesty, I think there were fewer plot holes in this ep. than some of the previous seasons, with their sometimes fortuitous wrap-ups. But given my obsession, umm love of the show, I forgave and over-looked all. It seems as though each episode so far is stylised differently, and this was a characteristic of previous seasons as well. I find it keeps me interested in colours and lighting, camera angles, and such. I must say, the music? Just realised, except for something really weird last week, I've not even noticed it. Remember My Wayward Son intro? sigh!

All those extra characters - too many already!!! Find a better way to get the exposition out there, without all these extra "chats" Dean's having. Although, chat with trapped demon was revelation! And why are all these demons getting so many human characteristics? And was Dean actually going to tell Sam not to kill her? Dean? What the ...?

But best of all, Sam has finally grown up. I never got, in fact was irritated by, the constant references to this guy at least 18 y.o., as a boy. What's with that? But now, he's stepping up to the plate, woohoo!!! Colour me glad, and relieved, and excited. But why is it ok for Dean to kill, "cold" but not Sam? They had the same training etc, etc, etc. Feels like an illogical red-herring to me.

ok, and finally - less boob and more action. Bring it, I say.

thankyou for allowing my wee rant - I still love our show!