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20 June 2007 @ 11:44 am
New Vocabulary Needed  
Yesterday's cycling: Gah! More clueless people alllll the way across the bike path (i.e., people who don't realize that it's a two-way path). Apparently I need to learn these phrases in other languages:
Keep right and/or Right side only!
Yesterday's target language would have been Ukrainian or Russian (can't tell the difference, but it's probably the former based on local immigration patterns). Also need Spanish as language #2. For the other offenders... a variety of Asian tongues, most likely Laos or Hmong, but who can tell? The Ukrainians/Russians are usually kids/teenagers, and usually chatty, so they're easier to identify. Ppls, it's a bike path-- not a sidewalk or a parking lot or your driveway.

German spam: As of a week ago, I'm now receiving German spam on top of my regularly scheduled "AmbiYen" and "V1@gra" and the usual crap. Wer wagt mehr? Well actually, I'd like less, thank you very much.

Prison Break: *whispers* I'm skimming through late S1 episodes in hopes of finishing "Always," because I've had some recent visitors to my Michael/Lincoln fic, and I really, really want to finish that arc. I hate stalled-out WIPs as much as the next person! Been doing a little more secret writing in that fandom, and the PBFE deadline for fics due comes up July 1, so I'm working on that too.

Supernatural: Must compile data, such as it is, from last week's poll and get thinky about that. Watch this space...

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the reluctant lobotomist: perfectfourfreedoms on June 20th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
If it makes you feel any better, almost all Ukrainian's know Russian.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Venushalfshellvenus on June 20th, 2007 10:57 pm (UTC)
I've heard that, actually-- or that they can understand it. I used to know someone who spoke Russian, and he'd converse for practice with someone who spoke only Ukrainian. They'd kind of talk across each other, but for the most part each understood what was being said.

Hmmm... Sounds like a job for BabelFish!
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Venushalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 03:22 am (UTC)
??? This was probably a comment for somebody else's journal.

Regardless, I did like "Strictly Ballroom" very much. Something about the dry camp (I'm not big on camp, but turning it on its ear is the best) and that Aussie humor just cracks me up. I can't think of it without hearing the phrase "Waritaugh Grand Prix Pacific Ballroom Dance Championship." Not sure of the spelling, but just the word "Waritaugh" is funny to me. ;)
Gretagretazreta on June 20th, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
Hi!
I friended you because I'm a big fan of your Prisonbreak writing, and have slowly made my way through it all, so it's very happy-making for me to see you're still writing it. I also like your SPN! I'm a horrid reader though, because I usually lurk and hardly ever comment. But I'm trying to do better with that. My favourite of your Michael/Lincoln is one of your more recent, and it's called Ice something? I've read it heaps of times. I just like how desperate they are for each other, I really get the sense of that watching the show, as well. Michael's OBSESSED with Lincoln. Hello? Full body tattoo forever? Toes chopped off? Being a fugitive for EVER??? In your writing I keep seeing the genesis and evolution of that obsession so clearly, it's awesome.

We're just seeing the end of Season Two here, I'm thinking ways that the Michael/Sara arc (sorry NO CHEMISTRY from where I'm sitting) can be tangled into Michael/Lincoln. I think it's doable!)

Anyway, thanks for writing what you write, and more is always good :D
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 06:31 am (UTC)
Always nice to hear from people, and the more commenting the better-- it's such a motivating reason to write. :)

The one you're thinking of is pretty recent, "Icicle Palace," which was for another Prison Break Fic Exchange, and desperation and interdependence are really the themes of that story. But all that Michael is willing to sacrifice for Lincoln-- and has-- makes so much more sense in that context and in no other. It's as if Lincoln is so much a part of Michael that to lose him would be unsurvivable (so much like Dean/Sam in that respect). And oh, has he ever gone overboard in terms of the lasting results...

I'm thinking ways that the Michael/Sara arc (sorry NO CHEMISTRY from where I'm sitting) can be tangled into Michael/Lincoln.
:D If only! The Michael/Sara doesn't work for me at all and never has, first because of Michael's Lincoln obsession (they're my OTP), but also because he doesn't even know her, and his "instant love" for her is so unfounded and poorly written. I believe in her attraction to him, though it makes me like her character less, and I don't really want that. But as a couple, they couldn't be more "meh" or unconvincing, while meanwhile the Michael/Lincoln Gen or otherwise is the main reason I watch the show!

Anyway, thanks for writing what you write, and more is always good :D
That's wonderful to hear, and I hope you'll chime in again in the future. Heaven knows the Prison Break stories need extra love, what with the uphill battle against canon's de-characterization over the last season. :D
Gretagretazreta on June 21st, 2007 06:47 am (UTC)
The Michael/Sara pairing doesn't work for me, either! I guess my point is... if this relationship is (as I believe) out of character for Michael... then what are the circumstances that have led him to it? And I think Michael is so canonly obsessed with Lincoln, whether or not you see the slash (and god, I do) that ANYTHING he does, no matter how strange it seems, must therefore be in some way attached to Lincoln. Because everything he does is for Lincoln.

I find the really interesting thing about Michael throughout Season One is his total surprise at what prison is like, and what people are like there. It's like he figures out this foolproof plan, and then everything goes immediately random because of the elements he can't control. That's not a new thought, obviously. But Michael strikes me as almost an aesthete, he loves the logic and the engineering and the sheer elegance of his own plan. The disfiguring tattoo is beautiful.

Maybe he is drawn to Sara for any of a number of reasons. Because that's who society demands he should be with (lol, if this was a primetime tv show, that's who he'd be with?). Because as things unravel out of control, that's a relationship where he's the loved rather than the desperately loving? Because Lincoln rejects him? Because the reality of prison brings home to him the reality of Lincoln? Because he can't control the fact that he will always love Lincoln more than anything, no matter what Lincoln does? That scene where Michael very deliberately says "I love you both" - that's a DISPLAY of affection in front of Link. One might argue.

I guess what I'm saying is... there's got to be a way to write Lincoln/Michael that doesn't IGNORE the canon existence of Sara but manages to put her back into the corner without it disrupting the OTP. Or only doing it in an angst-provoking, story enhancing, slash-fandom-enlivening way. One hopes. Maybe including the line "What the FUCK were you thinking, you're MINE" from Lincoln. LOL.

Sorry for rambling, this is very fresh (we're just at the end of Season Two now)!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB slashhalfshellvenus on June 22nd, 2007 08:38 pm (UTC)
I find the really interesting thing about Michael throughout Season One is his total surprise at what prison is like, and what people are like there. It's like he figures out this foolproof plan, and then everything goes immediately random because of the elements he can't control.
Yes-- it's one of the most intriguing aspects of the show. Michael's master plan doesn't account enough for the variables that people bring into the mix, including when they inexplicably do not do what you want or expect. Just because. :p

Because as things unravel out of control, that's a relationship where he's the loved rather than the desperately loving? Because Lincoln rejects him?
Interesting thoughts! In my one-sided stories, the ache there is that Lincoln doesn't love Michael enough. It isn't quite the right kind of love, and meanwhile Michael can't stop loving Lincoln in all those wrong ways. Oh, the agony!

Has season 2 ended for you? We finished it about 7-8 weeks ago, and I'm just now recovering a little bit...
Gretagretazreta on June 24th, 2007 07:58 am (UTC)
It's as if Lincoln is so much a part of Michael that to lose him would be unsurvivable (so much like Dean/Sam in that respect). Yes, yes, yes and YES. To all of that. It's really the only thing that makes the entire concept of the show make any real emotional sense whatsoever. Because, jeez, guys' brothers go to the chair ALL the TIME, and probably half of THEM are innocent also. The whole... but he's innocent... thing doesn't fly for me. I think Michael might PROBABLY be there regardless of Link's innocence or guilt. Because he simply CANNOT let him die. And that's very powerful.

And THIS WEEK was the last episode of S2 here for us. HOLY COW. So... it's all very fresh. I'm right with you about Sara's attraction to Michael making me like her less, as well. Because, sure he's hot, no question. But he's a bankrobber as far as she knows, and she's a Prison Doctor. And somehow it makes me take her whole recovery thing much less seriously. It's classic addictive self-harming behaviour - if she was seriously trying to do the A.A thing, she'd be avoiding relationships fullstop for the first year or two. We know that Michael's a nice nice guy. But she doesn't. Grrrr. Ahaha I didn't realise how much I resented that until I started ranting to you about it : D.

But as you point out, the clean lines of Michael's character became very blurred in S2. I think the main annoying thing was that REALLY we didn't see him reacting to the fact that HIS plan, HIS careful plan, resulted in the deaths of heaps of people. Not in any real personal internal sort of way. I wanted to see more of that. But I guess that's partly what fic is for, not so much changing what happens but re-editing it to make more emotional sense for the writers and readers. That's what I love about it, anyway.

And Icicle Palace, YES.
I actually printed that out and read it by a little bonfire on the beach in April, in between swimming, hence the no commenting. And that was an AWESOME day. But I will try harder in future. : D. And I liked it very much.
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 07:06 am (UTC)
YEAAAH! So she heard me. *cuddles the best Prison Break slash fanfiction writer* (yes, that´s you ;D)
:D That's sweet! And it means a lot to me, too, so Whee!

Yes, I haven't replied to the comments on "Always" yet, but getting two of them out of the blue in a week was the motivation I needed. That and being able to force out a M/L story, which S2 made so very hard.

they asked: "Who takes more chances".
I should have checked that one-- for some reason I had "wagt" as "needs" in my head, but it's been about 25 years since I studied German. It goes rather quickly!
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: wetMichaelhalfshellvenus on June 22nd, 2007 05:22 am (UTC)
They´ve put these words in the theme song of prison break in Germany and totally changed the song.
?!? There's a theme song in the German version? With words?

We just have the choir of Awe and Wonder under the theme, such as it is.

Is Went's voice dubbed? I would hope for subtitles, but the masses seem to hate them. For years, I had people tell me how much they liked "The Boat" and what a great movie that was, and I thought, "I've seen it. Not half the movie 'Das Boot' is," because once you dub it over you lose everything-- all the artistic reading from the actors, the sound effects, the whole bit. Not the same movie at all.

During our honeymoon in Greece, we were surprised to see "Jaeger" in syndication just all the time. That's "Hunter" here in the U.S., and it wasn't that good a show to begin with. The thought of syndicating and dubbing it is sort of like polishing a pig, so to speak. :0
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphorshalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 02:20 pm (UTC)
Yes! Friending is always okay! :)
The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on June 21st, 2007 04:26 am (UTC)
Halfshellvenus wagt am meißten :p

The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB slashhalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 02:21 pm (UTC)
Haha! If only that were true. I'm pretty careful in a lot of ways, though not always cautious.

Though rushing to slash the two Prison Break brothers way-back-when was pretty daring. Hard to remember when it's a big fat party now. :0
The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on June 21st, 2007 02:48 pm (UTC)
BTW, though I doubt you'll never need it: "Rechts gehen, verdammte Scheiße!" would be the way to go in German. ;p


Wheeee, a storm is just starting over here. Yesssss! It's been so freaking hot the last few weeks it, was about time!
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC)
BTW, though I doubt you'll never need it: "Rechts gehen, verdammte Scheiße!" would be the way to go in German. ;p
I try no to go the ugly route without due provocation. :0

I.e., American teenagers who are deliberately being jerks-- yeah, they deserve "damned shit" as a label. But people who are possibly just stupid... I go for the directed reminder/command, not the verbal assault!

Our weather is alternating between about 88-100 (Farenheit) right now, and when it's below 95 we're grateful. Such are the summers in this part of California. :0
The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on June 21st, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC)
Well there's also verdammt noch mal (just damm it!). But if you want to go more polite you can always go for "Auf der rechten Seite bleiben!" or "Halten Sie sich rechts!" :D

Verdammte Scheiße actually isn't something that you would say to or about a person. It's more the kind of thing you would say if you missed your plane or something along those lines :D
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shaitanah: pb_michaelshaitanah on June 21st, 2007 08:34 am (UTC)
Hi! I friended you yesterday, because I read some of your writing and I really loved it. So I thought I'd say hello. I'm a huge fan of both Prison Break and Supernatural and I think you're a brilliant writer!
BTW, I can't help with Ukranian if you need to learn some phrase, but I can help you with Russian. Right side only = Tolko s pravoj storony. =D
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: PB Final Hughalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 04:47 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words, and please-- make yourself at home. :)

The Russian phrase is a big help-- I tried BabelFish and *forehead slap* Darn that Cyrillic alphabet! That does me no good at all.

So let me guess the pronunciation (great spelling, btw):

TOLko ss prah-VOY stoROny.

And if you know, just for my edification and curiosity, how would you pronounce the double "n" in Kalinnikov? Just "n"? Or more like "kahLINyikoff"?
shaitanah: Armandshaitanah on June 21st, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
Just ‘n’, I think. As for that phrase: TOLko s PRAH-voy storo-NY. Yeah, I guess people do have problems with cyrillic alphabet, pretty much like with Chinese. If you ever need anything, feel free to ask))
*goes to continue reading your fics* =D
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Venushalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the help! And I hope you like what you find, fic-wise. :)
Princess Robot Bubblegum!: Better luck with beerastrothsknot on June 21st, 2007 01:10 pm (UTC)
Going in my own experience of a multicultural town..."FUCKING MOVE!" seems to works in every language.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: SN Lovershalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, it's more combative than I want to be in general. Most of the people who do this are just stupid and not evil. :0

Unless they're American teenagers, and then most of the time they're doing it to be jerks "Because I can be," to quote 'Heathers.'
The Good, The Bad and The Lanathelana on June 21st, 2007 05:29 pm (UTC)
You know, I realized I'm growing old because I went to the park yesterday, with my cousin, to study. And then around noon the kindergarten and grade school classes who were in the city for some culture day thing arrived to have their lunch break in the park.

Of course the noise made it impossible to read and I suddenly realized I really, really wanted to yell at them to kindly shut up because I needed to study. But then I remembered how people used to say that to me as a kid and I remember I just didn't *get* it. When you are kid you just don't hear noise. You only start noticing *noise* once you get older.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Venushalfshellvenus on June 21st, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
You only start noticing *noise* once you get older.
Or in some cases, never-- you only notice other people's noise. ;)

I say this as one married to a man who seems quiet, but a lot of his talking in a larger room is bellowing, and his idea of whispering is _talking_ but less loud.

My son is a bellower. He's 7, but then again... my husband is 51. :0
Princess Robot Bubblegum!: jack lubeastrothsknot on June 21st, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
It was after finding out that ringing a bell and calling "Scuse me!" to idiots walking on the road didn't seem to work that i just "fuck it" and just began yelling "SHIFT YER FUCKIN ERSE!!". This appears to work.

I swear to God, one time I was ringing ma wee bell, calling and they bloody well saw me comin and they still didn't move until I hit one of them. Me being me was all "If you're suicidal, there's a river over there, if you're stupid there's an artery road a wee bit up there. Uaise wan a theym coz ma bike cost money tae fix!"

The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Venushalfshellvenus on June 22nd, 2007 05:18 am (UTC)
:D I truly love reading the phonetic Scots version of this whole incident!

And for the case you describe, oh yes-- completely deserving of the more ballistic approach. They knew you were there, but they chose to be assholes. Well then-- Gloves.Come.Off. :0