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27 April 2007 @ 12:44 pm
SPN 2.19, "Folsom Prison Blues"  

Looks like I'm one of the few fans with mixed reactions to this episode. I liked many of the smaller (expecially funnier) parts, but I'm kind of hot and cold on it otherwise:

Yay!
* "They're just doughnuts, they're not love" Yeah, I howled with laughter at that line. Not only was it unexpected and Dr. Phil-iffic, it's also true.
* The irony of "What, are you from Texas now?" on the issue of how 'guilty' the imprisoned are.
* Creepy-ass evil-nurse ghost, and creey heart-attack FX. \o/
* Dean in a form-fitting jumpsuit, even if it WAS orange-- *whoo. Smokin'*
* Poor Sam, looking so humiliated in those mug shots, and so caved-in with fear at the beginning.
* Hugs from Deacon, and cupping Dean's face-- somebody genuinely likes John and his boys for a change (both of the boys).
* Kripke, you made both me and Dean feel bad for poor Tiny. I love that you humanized him.
* Henricksen is not only extra-competent, he's darned handsome. Looks like a Blair Underwood relative.
* Anti-ghost salt-shaker foo! Work with what you have, boys. ♥
* "Rooster" by Alice In Chains-- so perfect and doomed and mournful, even though the ending was a cheat.

Ummmm...
* Seriously, now-- both boys are too pretty for prison, especially Dean, so how did we avoid that in the writing? If you put them in that setting, certain aspects shouldn't be dodged.
* I'm waffly over whether the lawyer helping Dean is believable. I don't think the prettiness would be enough to sway her-- I mean honestly, Dean is just compelled to be an ass with authority figures when he's in trouble, and I think she'd just be frustrated and ignore every random thing coming out of his blah-blah-yeah, say sweetheart, here's what you can do for me-blah-blah mouth.

Grrr
* Dean, I don't care how stupid you want to be, but you do not take your little brother into the man-rape prison zone for ANY job, unless it'll save his life. Family comes first, no matter what Deacon was owed. Not to mention the damage to your legal position.
* Did we talk about the way Sam was clearly (and justifiably) terrified, and you still went the "prisoner" route and not, say, the janitor route? Good big brothers don't do that.
* I realize that there's a hunting or plot purpose behind it sometimes, but Dean-- you've got to learn to when to shut up and not mouth off. In general, you know? Especially because we know that Military John would not have tolerated that growing up, so is it a private rebellion or something the writers can't leave alone even when it doesn't match the family backstory?
* When your continuity and plot mechanics suck, it bugs me. It bugs me even MORE if you rely on them for later stories and bring them up again! To wit, if Dean was a murderer in St. Louis, then the Shapeshifter's body does not retain its last form (because it would be dead!Dean then, and no manhunt for him). If the Shapefshifter's body MELTS, then no murder in Milwaukee of that woman who would have to have been a non-existent twin of the surviving woman.
In other words, you can't work that Shapeshifter angle both ways. Pick one.

Is that all? I laughed through tons of this episode, but Dean's major choice to even go into the prison (and be all assy to Sam about it afterward) really hacked me off and didn't seem much like Dean. You either want your brother to be safe and stick around, or you don't. So what the hell is this now?

Okay, done ranting and musing. I still love this show, but I feel that the larger arc of the brothers' mission to each other was off in this presentation.
 
 
 
Daea Nereem: spn Smirk Deannereem on April 27th, 2007 09:00 pm (UTC)
You pretty much hit the nail on the head for me! I agree with so much- though i think sometimes Dean can get carried away with the hunt. I think his number one goal IS Sammy and his safety but i think the John hunt attitude can sometimes take over. But uh yeah... if they had connections with Deacon- why couldn't Sam become a janitor whilst Dean do the research on the ghost?

I LOVE THAT LINE, a lot of people have been saying the "i'm adorable" line which did crack me up but the

"They're just doughnuts, they're not love"

The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on April 27th, 2007 09:18 pm (UTC)
but i think the John hunt attitude can sometimes take over.
And I can see how it does, especially with general-purpose balking from Sam on the basic idea of even doing the hunt. But we haven't seen that in S2-- Sam's more gung-ho than Dean a lot of the time. And while John certainly put his boys in too much danger for the sake of hunting, Dean hasn't done anything this extreme yet (and it wasn't well-justified, not like he was coming apart at the seams and not thinking straight). He just took A method of hunting-- a really bad one-- that endangered both their physical and mental well-being (man-rape isn't something a guy just shakes off, and prisoners tend to be kind of, well, deadly)... there were other options available, and he picked the stupid one. Over all of Sam's very valid protests. I get that the show wanted to tease us with that episode, but it didn't fit well with Dean to me because I can't see him doing that to Sam by making that choice. Himself? Oh, yeah. But Sam-- no.

The "doughnut" line was the absolute winner for me this week. I only half-heard the "I'm adorable" line, because who takes that seriously? Dean is such an ass. But that other line-- Cracktastic, and also insightful in so many wrong ways. :0
Daea Nereem: Spn winlove b&wnereem on April 27th, 2007 09:29 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of Dean is just rehearsed (no wait, thats the wrong word i mean but ...) but like he' is behaving what he THINKS he should behave, from his father's p.o.v, that he should be like his father almost.... do what daddy wanted , that certainly was evident in a lot of eps in s1 but i agree with you in s2. I do agree with you, that there was a risk of Sam in the prison - look at Dean, most of it was arranged, but he was fighting and beaten up almost on the same day! LOL. And you are right with the man rape- i think that even Dean would find himself in hot water , but i dont think Sammy is helpless. I think he has some way of fighting his corner if need be... even if he had to fight like a girl ;) (nah i only play!!)

I agree, the whole idea was stupid and the fact that he went with it, was stupid. It would have been better if ONE was in side, not both, how the hell could they think that two of them in the prison would work?

The doughnut line was my favourite too!!!

Ooh this is my first mega SPN discussion- OOOHH!!! i'm so happy! And its with yoooou too!! (I really adore your fiction!)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
Hee! Thank you, Nereem! And a chance to finally go off on to the discussion wank-- glad to be your first. :D
I'm for wine and the embrace of questionable women: johnmissyjack on April 27th, 2007 10:09 pm (UTC)
So yeah the stooopidness of the plan - even if the head guard is your buddy - at least Sam kept telling us kept telling us they realised it was a wacky plan.

But on a meta level, i think it was saying a couple of things. One as in last weeks ep, Dean wants to fit in somewhere, it makes him happy and yet at the end of the ep they have to withdraw from the world even more.

But mostly I loved Dean's fierce loyalty to John we saw in this ep. Just a reminder that while John might be dead, Dean will still do anything for him.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
One as in last weeks ep, Dean wants to fit in somewhere, it makes him happy and yet at the end of the ep they have to withdraw from the world even more.
That's new for Dean, though-- that's how Sam grew up, always wanting to fit in.

In last week's episode, I actually thought that was OOC for Dean, so I *koff* try to ignore it as a larger arc. If it comes up in a 3rd episode, I'm screwed. ;)

I did like Sam's comment about Dean fitting into prison a little too well. That's.... not good. And it's not something to aspired too. :0

Just a reminder that while John might be dead, Dean will still do anything for him.
Yes-- even though I don't think John deserved that kind of loyalty, I do love Dean for wanting to honor his memory that badly (though in a choice between "honor Dad" and "keep Sammy from getting raped," I wouldn't pick the first one).
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The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC)
think i woke the entire neighbourhood with that one! hahahah
Yeah, I actually, um, guffawed at that. *hates to admit it* It was that funny to me!

sam is ALWAYS humiliated by his brother. *slapface* i think he gets his revenge in bed. at least, i hope so! :P
:D That totally works for me. Yes, totally. ;)

stop stealing my thoughts! :o
Can't help it! I don't think we're the only ones. Agent Handsome has a following of people already who have noticed. Then again, how can you not? Mmmmm....

it was really...ooc of dean to suddenly drag his brother into prison. if anything, he would have left sammy on the outside. no favour he owes anyone could ever amount to sammy's safety, at least for the dean the show had shown us thus far.
Yes, that's my exact thought. Loyalty to family (and protecting them) is #1 for Dean, above even the hunting. In a choice between "Dead Dad's friend" and "Keep Sammy from getting raped or otherwise injured/killed," I really think Dean would opt to not bring Sam into prison. In fact, what would be IN character would be for him to go in by himself and "Nuh-uh, Sammy, no way you're coming inside with me. You stay here and work the system from the outside. I'll be all right." That's Dean. And frankly, that also would have worked as a plot.
Entendre? Make mine a double.: SN agents ford and hamilldeirdre_c on April 28th, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
I agree with you that this episode was fun, but it had some plot and characterization problems that keeps it from being one of my favorites. I feel like this week and last week they were trying a bIt too hard to bring the light-hearted, perhaps to try to balance out the (what I imagine will be an) angst-o-rama of the final few eps.
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:25 pm (UTC)
agree with you that this episode was fun, but it had some plot and characterization problems that keeps it from being one of my favorites.
The characterization problems are my biggest sticking point-- I hate it when a show's writers mess with their own characters, especially if I strive to be care not to do that! Bend (to my own evil Wincesty uses, or toward the Crack) yes. Shift into an AU characterization... not if I'm pretending it's a canon-like story.

I feel like this week and last week they were trying a bIt too hard to bring the light-hearted, perhaps to try to balance out the (what I imagine will be an) angst-o-rama of the final few eps.
I agree with that entirely. And the thing is, even if they're planning an angst-fest (as I am absolutley sure they are), this shift into humor/crack is too abrupt and extreme. You want these eps in a mid-arc period, where you've toned down the (Dead John) ultra-angst and lightened up for a bit, before moving into the Sammy Arc-O'-Doom episodes. It's less of a diversion right now as is than a feeling of the episodes being totally out-of-balance from where they should be. I alluded to this less kindly in my comments on last week's ep. ;)
bluesister on April 28th, 2007 04:28 am (UTC)
I've been trying to think of where I know the actor who plays Hendrickson. Hey, do you think his name is a nod to Lance Hendrickson from Alien?

This ep might have gotten the most laughs yet from my household.
bluesister on April 29th, 2007 02:27 am (UTC)
Kimonkey clued me in: Hendrickson is Charles Malik Whitfield. (IMDB) I knew him as the nice coworker/kid advocate on The Guardian. No wonder I keep expecting him to pull his punches!
bluesister on April 29th, 2007 02:28 am (UTC)
(that's kimonkey7)
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)
Hey, do you think his name is a nod to Lance Hendrickson from Alien?
I think more likely, if anything, it's Lance Hendrickson in "Millenium," which also has ties to the X-Files folks like SPN does (Kim Manners used to work on X-Files).

I just think of him as "Agent Handsome." And he doesn't look familiar to me except that the upper part of his face looks a whole lot like Blair Underwood to me (as in, brother or something). Which I'm sure is not true, but doesn't change the fact. Hey, Evangeline Lilly and Kate Beckinsale look very similar to me too, and they're not related. ;)

This ep might have gotten the most laughs yet from my household.
I laughed a LOT, though I'm not sure if this or "Hell House" was funnier. As much as the basic storyline, etc. bugged me, the humor was great. And that doughnut line was priceless. :D
daybright: spndaybright on April 28th, 2007 03:32 pm (UTC)
yeah, what she said...
The Coalition For Disturbing Metaphors: Sam & Dean Genhalfshellvenus on May 2nd, 2007 07:30 pm (UTC)
The She that's me? :D